- The Jets have won two of their last three. - The Defense is generating a pass rush - Guys are making solid tackles - The running game is working The reaction after the debacle in Dallas last week was ridiculous. It is hard for anyone to beat the Cowboys on Thanksgiving and they are probably the second best team in the NFL. That game told us nothing except Dallas has a far superior team. Don't get me wrong, the Jets are nowhere near a playoff team, but they are also not as bad as a 3-9 team. Tangini made several miscalculations this offseason (notably not addressing the O-Line....Steinbach was the player I think they should have went after), but they were not severe enough to cause the team to start 1-8. While many criticized Mangini for repeatedly referring to poor execution, I think the last three weeks can tell us that he was at least right on the defensive side of the ball. I'm not seeing anything dramatically different in the defensive playcalling, but the team is now tackling much better. Coaching surely contributes, but poor performance was at the heart. Whether true or not, Vilma's absence also seems to be addition-by-subtraction....Harris is far superior in this system. I'm sure I am in the minority here (Br4dw4y5ux should be chiming-in in about 10 minutes to tell me how wrong I am), but I believe the future is bright. Tangini are bringing in good young players through the draft. I expect another bumper crop next April. I believe Clemens will be a quality starter for this team. He may not be the next Peyton Manning, but you don't need to be that good to win. This offseason is critical...we need help on the O-Line, Defensive Front 7 and WR/TE. And, while I have some doubts about the assistant coaches here, I think Mangini will turn out to be one of the best head coaches in team history. It takes time to change a losing culture. And it can be frustrating when there are setbacks. There's an old saying that goes something like this....sometimes you need to take a step backward before you can move forward. This season has been that step backward. Our cap situation will be good this offseason and we will have some good draft picks. I'm looking forward to watching the rest of this season play out and see where we go next. We've waited this long....patience for another couple of seasons won't kill us (contrary to my screen name). DbJ
You are what you are. 3-9. All week I've been hearing how the dolfags lost close games this year. BFD, as a team they STINK! The Jets lost some close games too, because the difference in talent isnt great within the league. They havent played well, which is consistent with being 3-9.
It was sooooo easy this offseason.... Continue to build the OL and STOP THE RUN..... That's all..... I wanted a lot of OL support from the draft..... At least Revis and Harris are both the real deal.. That saves them... Now get OL help this year and they BETTER Get a DT somewhere.
Lets not start sucking each other D’s just yet captain – we played what is arguably the worst team in NFL history today. We’re still a high school team compared to Tom Brady and whoever he plays for and…our coach is still has shown no hope of outgrowing his autism. Harris makes allot of tackles…I think around 90% of the total tackles on defense…I think seven or eight of which were for a loss or to stop a drive. KC - has potential, just like 400 other Jets. Brad Smith is a waste of 17 of 18 downs played. Still…it feels good to beat the dolphags.
That is kinda my point. While you are what you are in a given season, they've payed poorly, but this same basic group played to 10-6 last season. And with some personnel improvements, there is no reason this team can't return to the playoff next season.
All I'll say is that it takes effort on all sides to go 3-9. No half decent team is capable of that. If the Jets can win another game or two this season it'll tell us that there might be some life in the current roster. Unfortunately we're done with the Dolphins now and they gave us 2 of the wins we currently have.
5 guys does not make a roster. 25 guys do. That's how many average or above players you need to have on a roster to compete at a high level in the NFL. The Jets might have 15 now, but I think that's an overly optimistic assessment.
I don't know if I agree with that assessment. Say, the Patriots are not filled with all stars at all positions. I don't know about you or any other, but I personally think the likes of Ellis Hobbs are not really the personification of "Above Average" for all I can say. (Or Jarvis Green for that matter.) Having great DL and OL can surely make the whole team look much better (and perform much better). Say, even Pennington showed he could throw deep ball with authority once given enough time behind his line this season.
The reason would be if the CS gets outcoached, even with better personnel. I'm happy they can outcoach Cam this year, but that aint saying much.
Autism is something you can grow out of now? Anyway, to be honest, this is where I thought the Jets would be when Mangini first came on board. After their vast overachievement last season, I was deluded into thinking they could be at least a 7-win team this year. I still can't tell for sure whether Mangini is doing a solid job for us, or if we're regressing badly. As for what the future holds, it's looking slightly more optimistic after the thrashing the Fins and pulling out the upset against the Steelers. Clemens still plays like a rookie, and still makes those stupid mistakes, but he's gradually lessening them at least. At this point, he's obviously a better option over Chad.
Darksiders will always be amongst us! The thing to concentrate on is the fact that we have a good young core with a good young coaching staff. Given time it may just take us to the promised land!
If you swapped Tom Brady for Kellen Clemens, Randy Moss for Laveranues Coles, Vince Wilfork for D-Rob, Matt Light for D'Brick and Mike Vrabel for Eric Barton how many games do the Jets win this year? I say they're a 6-5 team, maybe 7-4. Not 11-0. Those 5 players won't take the Jets to a Super Bowl any more than they are going to take the Patriots to a Super Bowl without all the supporting cast members the Pats have assembled. The Jets need to get to a point where they have good solid players in 90% of the starting positions, like the Pats do, before 5 great players can make them dominant. In the NFL a few really weak players can absolutely deep-6 a team and right now the Jets have a half dozen really weak players starting for them and another half dozen that are below average. Then they have 5 players (Ellis, Dyson, TJ, Coles and Baker) that would be worth starting on a good team and the core 5 mentioned above. Editing: make it 6 in the core because Cotchery was not mentioned. he's definitely a core player but like the others not a star yet. Note that none of the core 6 would even get mentioned in the same breath as Tom Brady, Vince Wilfork, Asante Samuel, Matt Light and Randy Moss. They're good but they are absolutely not stars yet. The Jets have a few stars in waiting but they have no current stars and nobody who projects as a superstar.
1. Well. my original intention wasn't that Jets are close to elite group in any way - quite the opposite actually. 2. Even with the 5 swap you mentioned, I still see a losing franchise. (TJ still can't run and Brady won't have the luxury of protection for his 5 wide set to work. Run D might improve so they might be able to win more, but not that much.) 3. In terms of talent, you assessment is dead on. Just, I wanted to say that every franchise has to carry a starter that's but a fringe player here and there - even Pats does, and having some on Jets' roster can't be all THAT bad. (I agree, Jets roster is FILLED with them, and that's a problem.) That's all there is to it.
well, you picked the wrong 5 guys to switch out give me wilfork, brady, matt light, logan mankins, and adalius thomas thats a fucking super bowl contender. coles cotchery and baker are better than what brady had for some SB years. the oline is solid. the dline front seven is awesome, and the secondary has 2 really good players and 2 J.A.Gs still have TJ and leon
It's no coincidence that we won 2 of the last 3 when we had a bye and a long week and both cases our opponent didn't. The coaching staff isn't the problem, we are a very weak team with loads of talent issues.
The way I look at it season '06 to '07 are two extremes and offset eachother. Given the time I think Mangini will get it right. But he has to do things his way and stop :coughs: copying others. Just a thought here...why not give Westhoff more say about the comings and going of the team. The guy has been around the NFL for ages and is excellent at what he does. Westhoff is a legend.
