Goldson's hits tonight / Should the NFL further improve the security of the players?

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  1. JetBlue

    JetBlue Well-Known Member

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    no, you are factually wrong on all accounts. or more likely, you are just making things up to defend your flawed argument.
     
  2. Dierking

    Dierking Well-Known Member

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    Dude. Invest in a new keyboard already.
     
  3. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    It's the iPad's fault that most of his posts look like they were written by Michael J Fox.
     
  4. Jetaho

    Jetaho Well-Known Member

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    Maybe he's just got enormous fingers - like a pack of brats on each hand. Makes for dangerous typing.
     
  5. egelband

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    i'd argue that if defenders completely quit leading with their heads and shoulders, they'd do a better job tackling. landry blew that jackson tackle going for the big hit. it was also a nice move by jackson. but had landry squared-up and wrapped-up, the bucs might not have gotten that field goal to take the lead.
    i love a good clean blast. but i think the game would still be great without them. it's not a black-and-white issue anyhow.
     
  6. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    Mite be. Oerk jffs. :rofl:
     
  7. chris5533

    chris5533 Well-Known Member

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    The smartest thing would prob be go low and wrap up on that play. My point during this, is these guys are taught. Dislodge the ball. Then what hey do that is going for the big hit. His intention on that is to hit Jackson and have him drop the ball. Incomplete pass 4th down. ts all mental conditioning. I think allot of guys were taught how to play the game a certain way and it's now becoming illegal.

    The jets benefited greatly from both calls yesterday. Had we lost that game and the situation been reversed, I wonder how many people would be on here bitching those were clean hits and the refs screwed us and gave them first down on 3rd and longs. Those penalties inpaeticula the cumberland hit were huge for the jets yesterday.

    My stance is they have to get better technology. I think it's going to take a long time for the players to adjust.. giving them fines and suspensions won't do it. They don't want that. I don't believe most guys In the nfl are actuall looking to hurt someone. They have split second to make decisions. Again, when I watch on reply in slow motion I see 3 things the person could have done. But with everyone colliding at 15 mph. Hard to say. What are my options.
     
  8. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    Big hands, big feet bro. Its why Im a hit with the ladies.lol


    Lack of editing, is really the issue. Sometimes I do, sometimes I dont.

    But what does being a typing teacher bring to the discussion?
     
  9. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    Sure it is. Go watch Ronnie Lott highlights. Shoulder hits. Full body.no Spearing.

    Though, many would fall under the defenseless rule, but those are separate issues.
     
  10. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    No. You can mever lead with the helmet, they teach that in high school. The neck is the most vulnerable part of the body, on the Hitter.

    Its a small twist of the head, to lead with the shoulder (i.e. proper technique), and until Ball carriers start sticking the ball in their face mask, its clearly intent to do damage.
     
  11. chris5533

    chris5533 Well-Known Member

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    Ok-i didn't see it like that. You may be right. I think it happens so fast.
     
  12. 1968jetsfan

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    I disagree, many helmet to helmet hits are the result of the offensive player changing their pad level prior to the hit. I'm fine with the helmet to helmet thing, however if the offensive player changes his pad level as the defender is about to hit and helmet to helmet occurs the penalty should be on the offensive player instead of the defender as the offensive player is the one causing the helmet to helmet collision at that point in time.

    I know if I was an offensive receiver and I was about to get hit in the chest area I'd know there's an easy 15 yards and first down just by lowing my head and pads a little bit to generate helmet to helmet contact.

    You put a defender in a situation where they only option they have left is to go low and hit the most vulnerable portion of a receiver, his legs. And if that starts happening more frequently your going to see a whole lot more receivers lost for the season, if not their career, with blown knees.
     
  13. Barry the Baptist

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    The biggest issue with the Goldson hits is A) they absolutely are penalties under the rules and B) he seemed to relish in the fact that he was hurting players with his illegal hits.

    My solution would be in a situation like this if a player gets hit with more than 1 PF for hitting a defenseless reciever or dirty hit he should be ejected for the remainder of the game and let the NFL determine if there should be anymore. Players can foul out in basketball, go to a penalty box in hockey , be black flagged in auto racing for dangerous tactics so no reason the NFL should not institute a similar policy.
     
  14. Dierking

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    maybe his knuckles are all banged up from dragging on the ground all the time.
     
  15. Hobbes3259

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    Callouses bro. :beer:
     
  16. Hobbes3259

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    Well, if you go back a couple weeks Simms took a PF for 15 uds, for a fist pump away from tje action after a TD pass, how did Goldson not draw a second flag for flexing after the dirty hit?

    Or does the NFL only legislate execessive Celebration against NY?


    And I like your Idea as well, but it should be finessed so that if Multiple players do it, the Coach is ejected.

    That would remove Schiano and Schwartz from the game, inside of two seasons.
     
  17. alleycat9

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    get the peds out of hte game and you wont have guys flying around at such high rates of speed with such mass.

    its really pretty fucking simple.


    or give them all a bunch of steve tasker helmets but with padding on the outside. so they dont have a hard weapon to hit people with. it will change though, kids are being taught to never use their head at all and that the helmet is there only in case you get hit in the head. and it will work, 10 years from now kids will use their shoulders. or more likely because of the rules that are already in place at lower levels they just wont know how to tackle at all.
     
  18. jdon

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    Well, we are talking about people's brains, folks. You can't work your brain out in a gym like you can your body to guard against hard hits. Those hits are premeditated, low down and completely unnecessary. Goldson is a savage. I'll bet he has a picture of Jack Tatum, or at least Rodney Harrison, on the inside of his locker.
     
  19. egelband

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    saw a great example of effective restraint in the houston-san diego game. end of the third quarter. rivers throws a ball that leads the reciever right directly to a waiting safety. instead of launching at the receiver, the safety got low and waited. the receiver came down and the defender was in a strong waiting posture. didnt try to kill the receiver and actually almost got a turnover out of it. it was actually a shocker, seeing a defender show such restraint. but it was effective too. ten years ago the receiver would have been absolutely murdered.

    it is possible to show your fellow professional respect and also make nice effective hard hits.
     
  20. JetBlue

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    you must have seen the play incorrectly. according to this thread, it is impossible for a defender to control themselves and avoid helmet to helmet contact.
     

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