Grantland: The NFL's Cellar Dwellers

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  1. Axel3419

    Axel3419 Well-Known Member

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    On the 8 worst teams in the league. He makes a lot of sense in his Jets' analysis (especially about Rex).

     
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  2. LIJetsFan

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    IMHO Rex gets a contract extension. I for one realize how much better the last 4 years would have been had Rex had a QB. Besides, anyone who thinks you can never have too much Tebow is not about to dump Rex.
     
  3. fltflo

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    Sadly, I am starting to believe that Rex will go elsewhere and win a championship. An we will once again start anew with a totally new CS and direction only to repeat the process in five year cycles. Seems no coach of the Jets can ever last long enough in NY to build a team for the long term.
     
  4. 85inthehall

    85inthehall Well-Known Member

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    Changing the coach every 4 years is not the answer. Keeping Rex and letting him develop this young impressive defense while growing his offensive touch is critical. Rex can handle NY, he loves the job, and he really does seem to love the Jets. I hope he sticks around.
     
  5. greenbeanz

    greenbeanz Well-Known Member

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    it would be a huge mistake to let rex go. he can succeed here (and has shown that already), can handle the pressure, and has a great rapport with the players. if given the tools he needs, which, with idzik and MM in place, he will get, we can have a perrenial playoff team in the next 2-3 years. patience is the key here
     
  6. Jay Bizniss

    Jay Bizniss Well-Known Member

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    Even though Rex should not a be a head coach anywhere in this league, I am all for him staying just based on what he brings to the defensive side of the ball... If he and Marty can stick together for the next 5+ years, we could be a serious force in the AFC... These next few drafts for the Jets are critical to this team's long term success.
     
  7. Brook!

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    Let the year play out guys. I am sure organization will make the right decision about Rex.
     
  8. mezzavo

    mezzavo Well-Known Member

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    I really don't know what to say about this. I've given argument after argument as to why Rex should stay but there are people on this board...in public etc...who can't see past the nose on their face. It really is quite ridiculous.

    Ryan, Parcells & Ewbank...3 coaches in the history of a franchise that extends over 40 years. 3 coaches that actually won. You'd think long suffering Jets fans would know better. I can't fault the younger ones. They are are from a "Me now" generation with zero patience. A high speed, got to have it this second mind set. Hopefully we haven't burnt the "Ryan Bridge" yet... Hopefully this is a healing season... These are the Jets though...I have little faith. It truly does feel like someone sold their soul for that Superbowl in 69'.
     
  9. mezzavo

    mezzavo Well-Known Member

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    With that statement alone you have just broadcast to everyone that you have your head up your ass. This whole statement is about as freakin' oxymoronic as it gets. Either you feel Ryan can't be a head coach or you feel he can lead us to be a force in the AFC. You look like an idiot to say both things in the same paragraph. With "support" like this you are better off sitting on the "sidelines" and saying nothing at all.
     
  10. Jay Bizniss

    Jay Bizniss Well-Known Member

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    He is a defensive coordinator plain and simple... Seeing as if he would not take a demotion, let him stay and play Head Coach/run the defense, and let Marty run the offense.. Simple.

    He is way too valuable as a defensive mastermind to just let go.
     
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    Lol right.... you really think Rex will take a demotion with the Jets?

    Whats wrong with keeping some continuity? Sure Rex has his flaws but his defense alone is such a benefit... if we can figure out how to field an above average offense we're in business
     
  12. Jeti

    Jeti Well-Known Member

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    That's because they come in and right away go for it all

    We need a fresh start and proper build
     
  13. fozzi58

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    So was....

    Bellicheck, Schiano, Gruden, Cowher, Tomlin and shitload of other current and previous head coaches.

    So taking your statement and adding it to past and present (not to mention your flip flopping), Rex is the Jets Glorified HC whose really a DC but he will be someone else's really good HC after we let him go.

    Why not just wait till he develops into one here? Or is 5 years too long to be an HC without success? What have you done for me lately?

    Who is his replacement?

    Cowher wins SB after 13 years. Keep that in mind.
    Tom Coughlin says hi too....
     
  14. Jeti

    Jeti Well-Known Member

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    Serious question

    Has Rex made any progress to becoming a top tier NFL coach?
    What has he done other than coach the defense?
     
  15. Jay Bizniss

    Jay Bizniss Well-Known Member

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    I never said he would be a good HC elsewhere... And if you are refering to the thread I made asking what options are out there in 2014, I was merely stating IF he was fired, who could we get.. Never said I wanted him gone.

    His decision making is horrible : Putting Sanchez in against Giants is crazy at that point... Bellicheck, Schiano, Gruden, Cowher, Tomlin would never do that.

    With that being said, I wouldn't mind him staying here because of what he brings to the defense... I am willing to keep him and Marty together for the next 5 years if that means we have a great defense and an above average offense.
     
  16. mezzavo

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    Actually...he really only hasn't had success for one year. Back to back AFCCG's and a .500 season. One year has he been truly down and we attribute that to a crap load of injuries and his QB shitting the bed. Absolutely, he has responsibility in that but I wouldn't say he pulled a Kotite...etc...
     
  17. fozzi58

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    Its called - learning curve.

    You can say the same thing about everyone I mentioned and any other HC in the NFL. Some have succeeded - some have failed. Just like any other group.

    He's learned to tone down his rhetoric, but the TMZ-media NYC has keeps digging for non stories. Anywhere else in the NFL, his podium appearances would be viewed as a sign of maturity.

    He learned that he specializes on one side of the ball, so he finally hired an OC that knows what the fuck he is doing. He is relegating the Offense to someone that knows it better than he. Its call delegating, something many successful leaders do.

    He knows how to coach up and gets more from scrub players than probably most, if not all other HCs. If you doubt that, just remember that Eric Smith was a key player on this team and is flipping burgers this season.


    When you get done with your own TMZ-ranting about how we are stuck with a "glorified DC" go....

    Read: http://www.amazon.com/Play-Like-You-Mean-Leadership/dp/0307743330

    Watch: http://www.amazon.com/Get-Coached-By-Rex-Ryan/dp/B0042AGN9Q
    (^ If this doesn't make you understand how good a leader he is, nothing will)
     
  18. 1968jetsfan

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    I personally want Ryan back next year, with a couple of Caveats.

    1) he leaves the offensive side of the ball to MM
    2) he adopts the apparent Idzik Philosophy of preferring younger players with upside rather than preferring underperforming vets on the downside of their careers.

    Ryan's defense makes him worth keeping IF he can keep his hands off the offense, as HC he can set tone and course but he's shown no feel for offense.
     
  19. Jeti

    Jeti Well-Known Member

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    It's not ranting when someone says Rex is a glorified DC because he is but that's fine my issue is

    Game planning
    Adjustments
    Game managing
    Accountability
    Favoritism
    Leadership

    Those are the things that make up a great HC

    I personally prefer that with the coordinators running their sides of the ball
     
  20. fozzi58

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    Game planning is probably one of his greatest abilities. Jets spanked by Pats 45-3. 1 Month later - Jets win. You can't ask for a greater turn around in game planning than that. He took his beating and turned the weakness into strength.

    As for his favoritism, that alwasy seems to be what people are complaining about. He "favors" Sanchez, he "favors" veteran players. Not sure why this would be on the list of "great HCs" unless you are ok with it. I am. But maybe you needto explain further.

    The hit on Sanchez was not his fault. Putting him in in the 4th was part of the strategy. If Sanchez isn't put in then its an unfair eval vs Smith. So basically Rex gets killed either way.


    EDIT: Leadership. Go buy the DVD.

    @Mezz

    I think Rex should stay. There is no better replacement available or would be available and there's no reason to shake up the stability of the team - YET AGAIN - at the HC position. When I take off my "Rex Man-crush glasses" I can see he still has a lot to learn, but he's got a shitload of potential and I love having an awesome D. I can pipe-dream and think we are one good draft class and an FA signing from having one of the best D's in NFL history. You throw a "Trent Dilfer/Alex Smith" type QB into the mix and the Jets would be feared league-wide.

    Shipping out Rex upsets the apple cart on the D side of the ball and we will probably lose MM. Stability goes out the window and we are back in rebuild mode again.

    Outside of Weeb, Rex is probably the best coach this team has ever had, even better than Parcells. Tuna was revered because he took a laughing stock team and made them respectable. While the media likes to portray the Jets as a laughable team, we have been to the playoffs a lot more than a lot of teams over the last 10 years. Getting to the dance gives us a chance and I'm willing to live with Rex's growing pains in order for him to succeed.
     

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