If they trade Penny...

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  1. GreenScreen313

    GreenScreen313 New Member

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    any chance you see them trading Coles with him, as a kind of package.

    This might be advantageous because it must be well known around the league that Coles and Pennington have amazing chemistry. After all, they are in that TV commercial together.

    Plus, it's never good when a player gets a concussion. We might want to get high value for Coles now, before he retires early due to multiple concussions. That might sound calous and I sure hope he doesn't hurt himself anymore, but just from a strategy standpoint. I think Jericho would be a fine #1 receiver (as we might see glimpses of this Sunday) especially with a speedy #2 or 3 (Chansi?)

    That said, Coles has been one of my favorite Jets this decade.

    what do you think?
     
  2. JetsFan

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    Why would Coles want to go with Chad?

    He will finally have a QB to get the ball to him.
     
  3. GreenScreen313

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    if you read player interviews from yesterday on the Jets official website - Coles said Chad was 95% of the reason that he came back to NY. I'm sure Coles doesn't blame Chad's arm like most fans do - but moreso the poor o-line.
     
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    What???? LOL
     
  5. GreenScreen313

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    ya-know....not giving receivers enough time to get open.
     
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    I don't think there was any resentment about Chad's arm among any of the WR's. Cotchery commented that Chad was the most accurate QB he'd ever seen.
     
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    tomdeb Well-Known Member

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    1. The jets could not get 2 cents for Chad right now;
    2. Coles would likely be so damn glad to see some NFL arms whipping the ball to him instead of Chad's ducks he likely won't report to any team if traded there with Chad.
     
  8. gustoonarmy

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    I spoke with a friend in Maine the other night , (they're all Pats as you would expect) and the feeling is that if the Jets were to let Penny go , he would be an excellent back up to Brady.
    Not sure Chads ready for a back up role just yet , but if Chad wants the big one , this could be one way around to get it. The other point that they made is that Chad could easily run their offense especially behind their line!
    This is all just speculation of course. But it could happen.
     
  9. JUNJOBX2199

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    If theres a taker we are very lucky!
     
  10. gustoonarmy

    gustoonarmy 2006-2007 TGG.com Best International Poster of the

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    Kidding! There will be plenty of teams that will give him a try. With the right supporting cast he could and probably will go all the way , (fingers up from Chad to us)
     
  11. The Predator

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    If they trade Penny I will be a very, very happy man.


    Oops, I thought this was fill in the blank.
     
  12. Beamen

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    Have you even watched any of the last six games? There's about one to three plays per-game when Chad gets pressured within 3 seconds of taking the snap...

    Other than that, it looks like he's under pressure often, because he holds onto the ball so long... He seems so determined to throw to his 4th or 5th target (usually the RB out of the backfield) that he's got no problem dropping back going through his progression, waiting for the pass-rush to finally reach him, and dumping the ball off, while seemingly being under pressure...

    He's not Tom Brady on the Pats... He's not going to get 5+ seconds to throw on every play... If a QB can't get rid of it within 2.5-3 seconds, any pressure that occurs after that is on him, not the OL
     
  13. GreenScreen313

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    so how do you account for him being the mack daddy last season and suddenly turn into an indecisive ball holder this season?
     
  14. Joe Willie White Shoes

    Joe Willie White Shoes Well-Known Member

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    I support the change to Clemens because this team is so far from contending that it makes sense to see if we have the future QB on the roster or not. However, doesn't it seem odd to any of you that many Jet fans, including those on this board, seem to think that the problems with this team are all Pennington's fault, that he is a terrible QB, and that arm strength is all that matters while the Jet receivers have nothing but good things to say about Pennington????

    If you think for a moment that Coles is glad to see Pennington out, you don't know Coles or the relationship these two have on or off the field. Cotcherys' comments have validity also. And don't think that Coles positive comments are just one player not wanting to criticize another player. Coles pulls no punches when it comes to the coach. Why would he not criticize a player? The comments above that Coles is thrilled with the QB change and that he would want to play with any other QB but Pennington are naive, uninformed, and just plain wrong. I wish some people would learn the game rather than taking the simplistic view that a team's performance is based solely on QB play, rather than the more accurate statement that a QB's play is determined mainly by the team around him.

    For example, did Brady become Superman over the offseason or do you think that his stats this year might have something to do with him never getting pressured, let alone sacked, and him throwing to the best WRs in the NFL this year instead of the pedestrian receiver corps he had last year????

    This season's failure fall squarly on the coaching staff and management - putting players in a system that doesn't fit, horrible play calling, and not upgrading this team in the trenches. Pennington is a victim, not a cause. Mangini is causing me more concern now than any player on this team.
     
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    He wasn't "the mack daddy" last season, he was decent, at best.... His decision making process was better, and I think that has to do with his shoulder not holding up well after two surgeries and an entire 17 game season plus a full training camp... He lost confidence in his arm, and thus held onto the ball longer waiting for opportunities to complete easier passes...
     
  16. GreenScreen313

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    case in point.
     
  17. Beamen

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    Well my post wasn't indicating that armstrength was the only thing that mattered, in fact, it insinuated that confidence was the main issue, and it clearly was...
     
  18. 94Abraham

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    Do you honestly expect the Jets WR's to blast Pennington publicly? Get real. Especially LC because they have quite a history. Has it ever occured to you that one of the reason the playcalling looks a lil shady is because Shotty is working with a QB who cant make all the throws and has the worst arm of any NFL starting QB? You can blame the coaching staff all you want (and most of it is deserved), but dont throw the OC under the bus yet because he is limited in plays he can call because of Chad...
     
  19. Joe Willie White Shoes

    Joe Willie White Shoes Well-Known Member

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    So I guess Coles has no problem blasting the Head Coach, who will determine his NFL future, but will not blast a QB who might not throw him another pass??? Get real.

    When will people realize that the Jets 1-7 start should be blamed on many factors other than the QB??? It is so simplistic to blame Pennington for all the ails the Jets. How about the stellar play of the OL, which can't open a hole to enable a RB to gain a yard and has not given Pennington the time to throw long??? How about a front seven on defense that can't get off the field and gives up 140 yards rushing and almost 400 yards a game???? Do you think for a minute that maybe the crappy OL and the horrible defense led Pennington to try to do too much?? That it left him with no margin for error??? That it turned one of the NFL's best game managers into a player who was trying to carry a bad team (which, by the way, he did last year). In fact, if you are going to blame Pennington for the 1-7 record, then how about giving him credit for being the key reason the Jets went 10-6 last year with the same crappy OL , no running game, and a defense that couldn't stop the run.

    And why does the coaching staff get a pass. When you plug 4-3 personnel into a 3-4 defense and see it get pushed around and play awful week after week, I find it hard to blame the QB for that. When you are on the 5 yard line with 1 yard to gain and a TD will win the game and you call three ridiculous plays, none of which are a simple running play to the back you build your offseason around, I blame the coaches and not the QB.
     
  20. Matty Jets

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    Some questions I have about Coles:
    1. What's his contract status after this year?
    2. How many years, after his latest concussion, is he willing to play?
    3. Would he want to play here without Chad; he's already expressed his distain for Mangini's training camps, how about the whole time without his best friend Chad?
     

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