"It's technique on the field that's preventing him [Miller] from having more success, according to Mangini. A bad response to a hesitation move by Cotchery was a strong example. Miller hit the ground after his legs became entangled ? oops. He failed to look back for the ball later in practice and surrendered two big plays. "Justin is working at it," Mangini said. "And it comes down to the same issues, combining talent with technique. The quicker he is able to get the technique down, the quicker you will see the talent he has. He has done some positive things, but it is different than it was last year, so there is learning there for him as well." Kansas City Star reports that the Chief's poor preseason performance has everyone in Barbecue-town downshifting from playoffs to a rebuilding year.
The Chiefs must REALLY suck this year if they are not even winning in the pre-season... the Jets were always pre-season warriors under Herm.
Herm jumped off one sinking ship onto another. In 4 years his lifetime record will be about .400 and we'll forget that anybody ever thought he was a flawed but good coach.
The more I see of Herm from an outsider's perspective the more convinced I am the Jets have had some talented teams over the last five years and no coaching to back it up. How the hell else could Herm have gotten us to the playoffs three times, backing in or not?
You should check out the Chiefs' boards. It's been a strange transition to watch. At first, KC fans saw Herm as the perfect fit after Dick Vermiel (As an aside, I was amazed to read how many people thought Dick was a weak head coach). Now, they're walking on eggshells, wondering if they've moved forward by hiring Herm or made a tragic mistake. They also had the exact same reaction to signing Ty Law as we did last year - final piece to the puzzle. . . etcetera, and so on. I'm still waiting for the first blown timeout or clock screw-up. The reaction will be something to behold.
He took over a SB ready team year 1. Hacket and Hendeson got them to the playoffs in 04 by winning ever winable game against bad competition, something that is rarely done.
With Herm in KC, a Chiefs loss will almost be as satisfying as a Jets win. That being said, between the two, I could potentially be happy 16 times this year (4 Jets wins and 12 Chiefs losses). To quote Carl Spackler: "So I have that goin' for me, which is nice."
I think its a bit of a stretch to blame flaws in Miller's technique on Herm. Miller was only there one year under Herm, and was pretty deep in the rotation at cb. I highly doubt that the head coach of any team is going to spend a huge amount of time personally instructing a 4th string cb on technique. Isn't that was defensive back coaches and defensive coordinators are for? These technique flaws are probably things Miller picked up in college or have always been rough spots in his game. I have a healthy dislike of Herm too, but lets not get carried away and blame EVERYTHING wrong with the team on him.
I was thinking in terms of camp, where guys would get the most scrutiny/instruction on technique. But you're right he was the starter at the end of the year so theres that. I still think its a stretch to put any flaws on Miller's game on Herm after such a short time, just one season with the team.
yes but Herm was supposed to be a DB genious, at least that was his legacy coming in. Didn't he even strap up once in practice and show the men how coverage is supposed to be done? If my "fortee" is playing DB, then you can damn well be certain my team will have the best coached DB's in the league. If Dick Butkas became a head coach, you KNOW the LB's would be the best coached group in the NFL.
Everytime I read about how lame Herm is in KC I laugh and laugh and laugh and laugh and you get the point. hahah!
I think your point would be better made if you said that Corwin Brown, who was Herm's DB coach and stayed on under Mangini, was to blame because it would be a bigger indictment on Mangini that he kept a DB coach who wasn't well versed in technique. I still think it's amazing that Mangini, a DIII nose tackle, understands more about DB play than Herm. I thought it was also interesting from yesterday's press conference when Mangini related his experience with Troy Brown. Basically, he taught Troy to play DB by asking him to think like the WR he was/is. "What would you do in a situation like this, Troy, as a wide receiver. Don't get so caught up in the defensive scheme." That's thinking outside the box coaching. And I wouldn't let Herm off too easily. The only thing I ever see from his TC clips with the Jets and Chiefs is him talking to the DBs. "Good play, 22, good play......"
I agree with you that it isn't Edwards coaching faults as to why Miller has "technique" problems. I just think he was a terrible coach.
Did it ever occur to anyone that Justin Miller while talented came out as a JR is clearly immature and very raw and dropped on draft day for a reason? In what was an incredible deep draft for CB last year Miller was actually a reach in the second round. People were so quick to try and make out the Jolley trade as great because we got Miller a 1st round talent with our 2nd pick in the second round. We may have actually reached for a very talented player who would have dropped to the third or even the 4th round if we hadn't snapped him up? There are very talented players in the NFL who don't get drafted on the first day because they lack fundemental skills and aren't considered smart.
