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  1. supersonic

    supersonic Well-Known Member

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    Tanny screwed up by not addressing the OL in a draft that was heavy in OL talent/value. We needed to improve our running game more than we needed the top CB in the draft and a linebacker. I think a B grade for this draft was generous.
     
  2. KOWIE

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    uh, hasnt chad been here 6 or 7 years?
     
  3. KOWIE

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    we had a bunch of holes, and some got filled.....its your opinion that we needed one over the other.....by the middle of training camp there will be more than a few OL available after cuts....thats how we got kendall (remember?). we needed a CB, and getting the best available in the draft was huge....we needed to improve our run defense, and we did so with a high value pick in harris....we improved our running game via trade....in case you forgot that too. our running game will be much better this year just with jones' addition.....the line is still comming together.

    the line needed some love, but it wasnt terrible. our 2 first rounders from last year have a full season of experience which should help greatly. with the 4 picks we had/used in april the team is def improved.
     
  4. supersonic

    supersonic Well-Known Member

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    Our run blocking was bad last year. We have 2 starting caliber CBs on the team in Barret and Dyson. We also have some depth in Miller, Coleman, and Poteat. So how is CB a bigger need than some run blocking OL personel? Rookie CBs hardly ever make a significant contribution in year one. It usually takes them 2-4 year to mature. I will be very suprised if we see anything from Revis from the CB spot this year. Conversely, this draft was deep in OL. We could have traded down to get Blalock and gotten pick/s. Plus OL can often contribute significantly in year one. We just added a feature back but we don't add any upgrades to a below average run blocking line? If Kendall leaves, who is our run blocker? It certainly is not Brick. One other thing you may want to ponder is that if you can run the ball you keep the other teams offense off the field which takes a lot of stress off your defense. Nevermind protecting our QB who isthe lifeblood of the team.

    I have to say, I am not at all impressed with this years draft. Any GM can trade up to cherry pick. A GM's talent comes in finding the Asante Samuel in the 4th round or Lance Briggs in the 3rd round. Not giving away picks to to cherry pick especially when you have several holes to fill. Mark my words, there will be another CB who went after Revis who will be as good, or better than him. Same with linebackers and Harris. As for the Kendall deal...that is the kind of deal that happens once every 10 years, you would be foolish to count on acquiring somone of Kendall caliber off waivers this year.
     
  5. Joeyd223

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    If our oL culd step up there run blocking we could be a pretty solid oline..
     
  6. KOWIE

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    first things first....the bold.....you mean like how we drafted last year? getting johnson, b smith, mangold, drew coleman......i agree...those are the things i look for in a good GM. as for "cherry picking"....god forbid they go after guys they want, and the CS feels can contribute.....

    italics....sure there will be a corner that went after DR that will be solid.....its a draft.....drafting isnt a science (though some may argue), its a gamble....

    as for kendall...its not like hes some superstar elite level OL that we stepped in shit and got. did we pick up a solid player? of course! but in the NFL solid players get cut, not just the bad ones....kendall isnt nearly a once in a decade pick up....hes good, but if he was THAT good the million bucks hes bitching about would have been his already....

    as far as the CBs that were already on the team...miller is a liability in coverage...everyone knows it, its impossible not to see. hes mediocre at best as of now. barrett is good, but hes not a shutdown type of player by far....when you have the chance to get the best player at the position in the draft that was looked at as a big hole pre draft, you get him....which is what we did. poteat is servicable and coleman is still pretty raw, but hes def got talent. dyson is the only real starter type we had before the draft....opinion, fact, call it whatever you want....its the truth.

    i would have liked to see blaylock in green and white, but corner was a bigtime need too. our running game suffered a lot last year....but a giant part of that was who was running the ball.....we now have a proven starter with pro bowl talent at the position. our ground game is improved immensely by TJs addition. leons a good little back, but he wasnt ready to shoulder the load last year, and it showed.

    im sure you know better than the FO and love to think differently than the concensus......im sure we will add a solid lineman prior to the season through waivers....or maybe we snag that kid from maryland in the sup draft...our defense is better as a result of the draft....our offense is better as a result of obtaining thomas jones.
     
  7. rockyusmc2003

    rockyusmc2003 Well-Known Member

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    You're so right! Let's go sign Kerry Collins, he has an absolute "laser, rocket arm".

    Pffft.
     
  8. vegaskarl

    vegaskarl Well-Known Member

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    Just give Kendall the one million increase he wants. That is less then 1% of the cap.
     
  9. TheGreenBrickRhode

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    Yeah, and then we could give any of the other 52 guys raises when the want them.
     
  10. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    I think all of these sports journalists might be overrating Thomas Jones a bit. The Bears' offense also benefitted from having a lights-out defense most of the year, which significantly improved their TOP and gave their offense, including their pathetic QB, the luxury of running Thomas Jones Cmart-style. We will not have that luxury.
     
  11. Miamipuck

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    The Jets do not have the defense the Bears had last year. However they will be better than average. I think the Jets passing game is significanty better than the Bears. Hopefully, Jones can keep the opposing defense honest. Which given the lack of an upgrade of the line is about what we can ask for. However just that little bit might mean the difference between 8-8 and 11-5.

    Jones/Washington is significantly better than Washington/Houston. While the line is probably exactly the same. I have the confidence that Shott and company can scheme properly given the personal. That is one of the hallmarks of this staff I think. They put the players in position to succeed. They can hide/mask the lack of talent past Brick and Mangold. They did that all last year, with one more year under everyones belt and the Jones upgrade they will be better. Like I said not much but that little bit can mean 2-3 games (from 8-8 to 11-5) with what looks to be a harder schedule..................... BTW I say what looks to be because you never know, some of the so called good teams can lay an egg and vice versa as we are still only in July.
     
  12. joesmoe39

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    pennington, dinks and dunks his way down the field. defense's aren't given enough time for sacks b/c he gets rid of the ball so soon. now if the defense has good coverage or noodlearm tries to go down the field more this year, the sacks will increase quite a bit, i bet...
     
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    and santa will be wearing green this year when christmas comes early. only for the jet's of course....
     
  14. joesmoe39

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    you forgot one, but i fixed it for you!!!:lol:
     
  15. joesmoe39

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    here again, your making major assumptions. d brick was not all that great last year. the team had to hide and scheme against his lack of blocking skills and his pass blocking wasn't that great when you consider penny is a dink and dunker. an olineman does not have to block very long for a dink and dunker. bttom line, we don't really know what we have with d brick yet. 11-5, your being a major homer again, but whats new...
     
  16. Miamipuck

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    I did not make major assuptions. I said that if Jones can get the D- to play honest against them that it could be the diffence between 8-8 and 11-5. Again you think you are so smart with the same weak schedule bs and everyone else is homers that I can give a rats ass what you think.

    You offer nothing other than to berate people so put me on ignore as your replys are shit! But then again what else is new.

    Also if you think the Bears passing game is better than the Jets you are freaking stupid and definitely not worth my time.
     
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  17. joesmoe39

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    more name calling and with your posts above, you call me stupid ? i think you might want to educate yourself a little if you go back and look at the stats. bear's had more touch down passes (by far) and equal or better yardage to the jet's last year. just how is that a better passing attack ? penny had what, 16 td passes and almost as many interceptions. go back and look at the overall league average, the jet's were not exactly offensive juggernauts!!! grossman can be quite bad(understatement), but then again, so can penny! so i think in closing, i've been reallistic and spot on, in comparing each team's passing attack, or the lack of as far as the jet's are concerned. again, educate yourself before your post such nonsense. as you can see, i was able to reply without the name calling that you always seem to resort back to when things aren't going your way. you might want to give it a try! :eek:hmy:


    you can now go and put me on ignor along with your other homer friends that post a lot of homer nonsense. if i'm being negitive, it's only aimed at the people that post a lot of what i consider stupidity!!!!!
     
  18. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Any given Sunday and all that shat, but I think even Jones is going to suffer when the interior of the line collapses consistently during the second half of every game. He's a cutback runner and needs his blocks, just like Curtis did. If the holes aren't there, I'm not sure what an upgrade he'll be. We'd almost benefit more from splitting equal time between him and Leon, because the change-up in speed would keep defenses out of a comfort zone and throw off routine stunts.
     
  19. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    I'm beginning to wonder what you really have to offer. You downplay peoples' knowledge of football when all you can do is spout a layman's surface aspect of an understanding of the game, with some stats to back it up.
     
  20. Footballgod214

    Footballgod214 Well-Known Member

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    You guys.

    Let's wait and see how the OL run blocks with Pouha and Bender on the right side (yeah, 6'3" 345 pound Sione "The Crusher" Pouha).

    Don't put this past Mangini!!! He's been known to move players to the opposite side of the ball.
     

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