Well, I just read the thread about Bradway's promotion. I gave him kudos for taking this all in stride. I want to give kudos to Woody now too. Think about this, people have been ragging Woody over the past year for so many things. The WSS, Herm's implosions, and subsequent departure, a new, young, inexperienced CS, a labor stalemate, and what might turn out to be the most important draft in the past decade for this team. In hindsight, I have to say, Woody treated the team like it should be, a business. He ignored the critics, and did things his way. He managed to get the Jets a very good deal for a new stadium (regardless of my disappointment in the location.) He managed to get something decent for a coach the whole world knew didn't want to be here. He brought in a CS that we are all in wait-and-see mode with, yet, no one is upset with them and the things they are doing. He was actually a key figure in the labor negotiations, even teaming with one of our biggest rivals to get a deal done. We had a pretty damn good draft. Sure, there was disappointment. Some wanted a push for Reggie, some wanted Matt, some wanted Mario, but overall, we picked up the future of our OLine in the first round, and the probable heir to the QB throne in some shrewd moves in round two. (Sure, Woody probably had nothing to do with it, but it was his staffing choices that made these moves.) As much as we as fans have been disappointed by this team, and by the current ownership, in 20/20 hindsight, the moves Woody has made so far have been made with the team's best interests at heart. The jury is still out until this CS makes or breaks this team, but right now, I am really happy with the things he has done lately. Keep up the good work Mr. Johnson!
That's a lot of praise for an owner of a team that is three or four years away from being competitive (the length of time it will take to get rid of Chad & C-Mart).
Well, I praised him for what he has actually done so far, not what is to come. In review of what he has done, I think it's significantly more positive than anyone seems to give him credit for around here. I felt it warranted being said, so I did. Agree or not, it's on each person to form an opinion. I presented mine, no biggie.
I have to say I was not impressed with Woody's past performances with the Jets but I think after this major shake up with the coaching staff and having what I consider a pretty darn good draft he gets a C+. I do believe the Mangini will have this team in better shape then the last one, so if anything we got a coach who will have our team better prepared for the season. Anyone remeber the first game at KC. The first five plays on defense most of our starters were all on the backs looking up. I dont think that will happen this year. Now I just have to wait and see what camp and the first few pre-season games look like before I dish out more grades for the CS.
Well if you you are using the anyone is better then Herm theroy then you are OK except do you just want another medicore team or a championship quality team? If the answer is championship quality then you are way, way off base with your post.
At this point I look at Woody as one of the loser mutual funds in my portfolio. While past performance is no indication of future returns, I just can't stand selling at a loss. I'm waiting for a bounce before I dump it out of my portfolio.
I agree, the recent Football moves were positive... Though his 1st go around hiring Bradway / Herm was a complete disaster and the NYC Stadium was a complete disaster - A stadium should be in NY. But, given those disasters, he did recover nicely from the Herm mess getting a pick for a guy who has no business being a HC in the NFL.
You should be happy you still got stuff to complain about. If this team does win a championship that you will have nothing.
Some people always need to be miserable. Trust me, he'll find SOMETHING. "They didn't outscore their opponent enough" or some other bullshit excuse.
What's really way, way off-base is the fact that they haven't even played one game yet with this new regime. You really have no way of knowing if they're championship quality or not.
Well, for those with short memories, Parcells brought in Bradway. Bradway brought in Herm. How can you possibly blame Woody for that? Would you tell Parcells he was wrong if he gave you advice on who to bring in? As far the West Side Stadium, it wasn't Woody's fault. Cablevision put the big spin move on, and it can be guessed that they probably put a few extra dollars in a couple of city council members' pockets. The Jets were very clear that if the deal fell through, they would not come back to NY. You don't make threats unless you are absolutely sure you will follow through. It was the rail yards or nothing. Rather than blow the opportunity to share the stadium with the Giants after the Manhattan deal fell through, the organization made the best decision for the long term benefit of the club. Yes, I feel it should have been here. However, Woody did what he needed to do, when he needed to do it. Champ, speak in English. What is SLW? If you are going to try to offend me, at least do it in terms that are easily understandable. Using acronyms for everything you can does not make you look smarter, just lazier.
I personally think (and many would agree) that the "rail yards or nothing" attitude was absolutely retarded. Numerous Jet fans would have been perfectly happy with a Jets-only stadium in Queens. It wouldn't be Manhattan, but it would be New York, and it would be ours. And Woody can make all the threats he wants, and follow through on them, but the fact is this: Queens made overtures to the Jets after the Manhattan deal fell through. The reason Woody didn't consider them has nothing to do with the "long-term benefit of the club," since a Jets-only stadium, regardless of location, would by definition bring in double the money of a shared stadium. It has to do with the long-term wealth of Woody Johnson. The problem I've always had with Woody is that he's not a football guy; he sees the Jets as a business first and a football team second. The income and prestige he would have gained from owning and developing a prime piece of Manhattan real estate would have far outweighed the costs of building the West Side Stadium. But Queens was not as profitable, so he wasn't interested, regardless of how happy it would have made the fans. It was a business decision. And people can apologize for Woody all they want regarding the WSS, but it was the Jets' fault, not the city's, that it fell through. If Woody had reduced his demands for public funding and put up more of his own money (instead of wasting it trying to win a PR battle against Cablevision), there would be shovels in the ground right now. No one would have been able to argue against a project that cost the city nothing and generated massive revenues. I don't care how corrupt you are, if you're a city councilman and someone comes to you and says "I'd like to buy a massive tract of unused land, develop it at absolutely no cost to you, and pay taxes on it," there's absolutely no way you can say no. Opinion polls showed that New Yorkers opposed using public funds for the stadium, but overwhelmingly supported a stadium that paid for itself. Woody just didn't feel like ponying up the dough. As for Dolan lining the pockets of Silver and Bruno...I tend to agree with you. The problem is, where were the Jets on this one? Jay Cross (who, mind you, is still President of the team) apparently didn't realize that these two votes were all it would take to derail the project completely, and so as far as I have read, the Jets never met with Silver and Bruno before the vote to discuss their POV or make any sort of negotiations or concessions. I'm not saying the Jets should have bribed them, but it doesn't appear they did their research. (deep breath) Sorry, I needed to get that off my chest. I really like the new regime so far, and getting anything for Herm was a huge bonus. But I get sick of people blaming the WSS failure on "New York politics." Unless and until the Jets start winning Super Bowls, I will consider Woody Johnson a failure as owner of the Jets.
there are also plenty of fans happy that the jets get a brand new stadium, probably with no psl's at the meadowlands, and really don't give a shit about "being in ny'
Very good post. I'm also very much on the fence about Woody at the moment. The next couple of years is going to tell us whether he's got what it takes to be a good NFL owner or whether he's just another Jerry Jones/Al Davis clone out to make money.
Yeah, I know. And it's better than "Giants Stadium." But I do give a shit about being in New York. If you don't, feel free to ignore my posts.
i respect that, just wondering why you feel this way....interesting also being that you're from freehold....games in queens would be like hell compared to the trip to east rutherford
I dunno, I would rather have the team in New York--it brings us back to our roots, separates us from the Giants. There's no logical reason, I guess, just how I feel...I think what bothers me the most is that we were so close to having the WSS work out, only to have it snatched away because the team was too dumb to do all its homework. And the commute to the city would definitely be hell, but I feel like it would be worth it. I was just venting, really...needed to get some stuff off my chest about the stadium. The whole thing pisses me off. But it's over now, so screw it. There are definitely some good qualities to the Meadowlands (for me, location, and to a lesser extent tailgating), and I'm looking forward to seeing the new stadium and the shopping complex and all that--it should be pretty awesome. I'd rather have it in New York, but this will have to do. Like I said, at least we're not in "Giants Stadium" anymore. Life goes on, ya know?
