I admit that I do not know a whole lot about the vaunted West Coast Offense. I do know it takes a certain type of player in key positions. No matter who's under center, I'm wondering how long it will take for things to gel. I mean Morningwheg went 5-27 as head coach in Detroit. I don't know the reasons...I don't even know what scheme they ran back then. Looking at teams that have converted to the WCO recently, only the 49er's and Redskins seem to have had immediate success. My feeling is that the Jets are gonna struggle on offense until they get their legs under them with a new system....and maybe the right personnel.
Well the nice thing is, if healthy, we DO have the personnel. We borderline have the personnel even with Holmes out. Braylon and Hill are the downfield threats. Kerley stays short in the middle. Goodson catches out of the backfield. Ivory can bully his way up the middle. It's not a GREAT roster, but we definitely have a WCO roster. Now we just need the QB... and hopefully it's Geno.
It all comes down to the bolded. An accurate, good decision-making quarterback is the biggest difference between the haves and the have nots when it comes to NFL offenses.
Well, his first season, he had FOUR different QBs that started at some point. I don't even recognize three of the names, just Charlie Batch. He had no decent RBs on the roster. I don't recognize any of the WRs on the roster from 2001. 2002, they drafted and started Joey Harrington who is LOLworthy. RB situation didn't improve. WR didn't improve. Defense sucked both years. No one half-decent on the roster.
Making reads at the line of scrimmage before the snap is how Peyton, tommy, Rodgers, brees make all their money; Wilson, Kapernick, RGIII and back in the day Vick make the plays with their feet once the ball is snapped. Brady, absolutely killed our slow moving defenenders, namely Bart (who I still love 1.6mil hits on YouTube for "can't wait!"), running a speed offense. Still think we should and always will be a run first, possession football team especially since our defense is stout. The dagger of our offense should come in play action pass. We have to get the running game propped up, this does not look like the year it's going to happen. Defense will be solid again, as always.
It wasn't a dig at Morningwheg. A total stat w/o context...although the context may be that the WCO If the WCO relies on timing, exact ball placement, communication and precise footwork, I just don't see us blasting out of the gate and winning right away. It would be nice though...
Ask and Ye shall receive: Northern Arizona University (1994) Offensive rank: Couldn't find much of anything...They just entered the Big Sky conference this century. San Francisco 49ers (1997-2000) Offensive rank: 1997 = 12th (Steve Young) 1998 = 1 (Steve Young) 1999 = 10 (Jeff Garcia) 2000 = 4 (Jeff Garcia) Detroit Lions (2001–2002) = 5-27 Offensive rank: 2001 = 16 (Mike McMahon, Charlie Batch, Ty Detmer) 2002 = 28 (Mike McMahon, Joey Harrington) Philadelphia Eagles (2006–2012) Offensive rank: 2003 = 17 (Senior assistant not OC) McNabb 2004 = 9 (Assistant HC not OC) McNabb/Koy Detmer 1 game 2005 = 19 (Assistant HC not OC) McNabb/McMahon/Koy Detmer 2006 = 2 (Assist HC & OC) McNabb/Jeff Garcia/A.J. Feeley 2007 = 6 (Assist HC & OC) McNabb/A.J. Feely/Kevin Kolb 2008 = 9 (Assist HC & OC) McNabb 2009 = 11 (Assist HC & OC) McNabb/Vick 2010 = 2 (Assist HC & OC) Vick/Kevin Kolb 2011 = 4 (Assist HC & OC) Vick/Vince Young/Mike Kafka 2012 = 15 (Assist HC & OC) Vick/Nick Foles NINE top 10 offenses out of 16 years. 2 of those years with a future HOF'er and only one of those has a top 10 ranking. The rest were good to decent to crap QB's. His 2 years in Detroit he had one of the bigger busts of all time and career backups as his starters. In Philly it's amazing what he did with what he had. ESPECIALLY in 2006, 2007 & 2010. Starting 4 different QB's over that time is impressive. 2011 isn't too bad as well. Food for thought!
Please god let the QB be Geno! I dont want to see Marty ball be 2-4yd completions with Mark. I always wanted to know about that situation in Detriot with MM, good stuff posting those stats.
if marty can get the jets offense into top 15 territory we are going to compete this year for a playoff spot im excited, are you excited?
So he's better than Sparano?...ha... Thanks mezzavo...good info...with context no less. No doubt...the Eagles had some impressive games in the last few years.
The Jets are going to have to do more with less on the offensive side of the ball. Hopefully Marty can get the best out of limited to zero amount of playmakers.
One more. Matt Millen is not the GM for the Jets. That alone is infinitely positive. That said, it's all about repetition, repetition and more repetition. As long as Marty can concentrate on offense instead of having to pull HC duty, he should be more than fine.
I'm a new member of this site - been reading it for years, but just finally signed up. It's posts like Mevvazo's that made me keep coming back. Great stuff!
Heard a jet WR interviewed last week and he said that with MM's WCO there's not really any set patterns the WRs run....when the balls snapped it's up the them to find the soft spot in the defense and up to the QB see what's going on, make the same read, and throw to the right spot. QBs and WRs HAVE to be on the same page based on the defense, every snap. Kinda scary but could be really fun to watch.
That's kind of interesting...he must be a 7th or 8th WR who is on the bubble because he clearly isn't talking about the WCO. The X, Y & Z route trees are pretty specific as far as pattern goes. Now, I will agree that it's up to the receiver/QB to read the defense and break off into one of the other "branches" in the tree if the defense is taking one thing away and giving another. But now...there are CLEARLY defined and set patterns to each route tree. Interesting...who was this WR??
It all comes down to one thing: Geno. If he's good, the offense will succeed. If not, it won't. Pretty simple.
