Anyone that is complaining how the refs didn't review is just plain moronic. Judgement calls cannot be reviewed in the NFL.
save it....Your not going to get through to anyone on this board still yelling about why it wasnt reviewed. Ignorance.
judgment, actually. Yeah, they can't be reviewed. I would think everyone knew that, but even Mangini appeared not to know the rule at the postgame press conference.
Hate to be a d*ck, but there is a thread on this already. I didn't realize that it was not reviewable until RoyalTee made a post about it. I still think before making an official call that the umps should have talked it over.
How is that ingnorance. There is no thread that explicitly states that the play is unreviewable. Continuing on....Its the same reason why you cannot review pass interference calls, illegal contact calls. For people that say that Baker was going to come down in bounds, if you were the official, on what grounds would you say that Baker was going to fall in bounds. Is there a rule in the rule book saying that if a reciever catches the ball in the air and falling towards the sideline that is a catch. No. It is up the officials to decide if the reciever was going to come down in bounds. While it might not have been the correct call in that instance the play cannot be overturned because a referee misjudged a play, only if the referee misinterpreted a ruling.
Actually, There was but ya missed it. I started one to clarify the Confusion but it got merged in under 2 mins. That along with the fact that some posters are really having a hard time understanding what a "Judgement Call" means is going to lead to a night of Confusion. Here's what I pretty Much said:
The "idiots" on the board dont think it should have been reviewed but they think the call should have originally be a TD so it COULD be reviewed. With a game changing play like this, the refs should have known that if the called it a TD they could always over rule it. It was a huge mistake. But thanks for the thread.
Get this to your head... 1. They need to change this ''judgement'' crap, because its obvious that these refs are incapable of such things. Everything should be challenged, I dont give a damn if its taking power away from the refs. They have blown too many calls to have any say in this. 2. GET RID OF THE UNDER 2 MIN THE COACH CANT CHALLENGE CRAP. Seriously, a coach is handcuffed way too much in this way and I think they can throw a flag at any time taking they have at least 1 timeout to do so. 3. People are mad because the refs should have called it a TD and THEN reviewed it so its fair to both teams.
Heres the difference... my understanding is that if it had initially been ruled a touchdown, then its reviewable, and they can review to see if it was out of bounds. After the play, the refs were uncertain enough about the play to huddle up for a bit, talk it over, and then come out and decide that to call it an incomplete pass. If they were uncertain enough about it that they had to huddle up and talk it over, then they should have been smart enough to rule it in a manner which would allow them to go back and look at the tape and make sure the right call was made.
Calling it a TD would have had no effect on whether it was reviewable or not. It is the force out that is not reviewable, and that was the only reason it wasn't called a TD. The way to think of this is that replay is designed to confirm or refute questions of fact - what DID happen is reviewable, as opposed to what COULD HAVE happened, which is not.
No Judgement call can Be reviewed whether TD or Not. If It was called a TD then the reveiw would have only been for possession. So, IOW. TD or no TD, the Judgement part (which is the Force out) is NOT reviewable whatsoever. That covers the IN/Out of bounds. The only thing left was possession
Yes, here's the transcript: Ref 1: "Hey, I thought it was a TD...what do you guys think?" Ref 2: "I already said he was out of bounds -- no TD." Ref 3: "Yeah, but he was smashed out of bounds. That Jet guy would have had a TD." Ref 4: "I'm not officiating any Overtime; I've got a drinks date at 8 PM. We already called it No Touchdown, let's just keep it the same." Ref 3: "But it WAS a TD -- I think we should rule it a TD. If we have to, take it to review, but I'm telling you guys, I was right there, that Jet guy was in bounds and would have been EASILY in for the touchdown." Ref 2: "I'm not reversing the call.....we're right near that Dawg Pound....screw it, the Jets played like crap today anyway, so we can f*** them on the call and get away with it. Their newspapers and fans will be blaming the team, not us." Ref 3 : "That still 'aint right.....the Jets scored a TD and we're shafting them." Ref 4: "Ref 2 is right; besides, Mangini can take the loss, he's a rookie, his job's not on the line. Crennel is in trouble....he loses this, he may lose his job. You want the NFL's Diversitity Committee on our asses?? You want Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson protesting outside your house ?? Ref 2:"So we're agreed.....the call was no touchdown, it's not reviewable, ball to the Browns, and we get out of this place and meet at The Tavern for drinks in an hour, right?" Ref 4: "Yeah, that's the ticket....hey, the League 'aint gonna care, it's the Jets.....if this was New England or Peyton Manning's Colt's, that's another thing. Nobody in New York cares about the Jets....I mean, at 280 Park Avenue, that is !!" Ref 3: "Something about this don't smell right....we're taking away a TD from a team that earned it..we're gonna get in trouble." Ref 4: "Would you stop friggin worrying? I called a no-fumble a few years ago on that New England QB in the snowy playoff game....knocked Al Davis right out of the playoffs and a probably Super Bowl win....Tagliabue sent me a bunch of roses and said 'Thanks, I Owe Ya'...nothing is gonna happen to us."
Please tell me..what exactly is a judgement call...IM SICK AND TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT JUDGEMENT CALLS. Arent they all judgement calls? If a guy catches a td pass...with two feet in..and they review it, wasnt that a judgement call? His judgement was wrong..wasnt it? WHAT THE HELL IS A JUDGEMENT CALL? Are calls that are corrected not judgement calls? I dont care if was a JUDGEMENT CALL. I know what a judgement call is. Its the leagues way of saying we arent going to let you review every god damn judgement call..thats what it is.
Yeah..ignorance..please tell me the rule that states that a guy being pushed out of bounds is a judgment call. Heres what the ref said; "There was not a force out on the play," Carey said. "There was nothing to review. It's a judgment call." So according to the NFL...you cant review a ref that states "There was not a force out on the play". Exactly how did Baker end up in the third row after making that catch.
