After watching a few Jets preseason games and watching how Mangini operates the team, I think he has "it".. The same intensity that make Bellichick and Saban so successful, I see it in Mangini's eyes as well.. That does not bode well for the hapless Bills, who have the Zombie Jauron at the helm.. They will be bottomdwellers for quite awhile, barring some catastrophic injury to one of the other teams.. Here is looking forward to more epic battles between the Phins and the Jets!
I believe the Bills are going to struggle, not due to Jauron....but their FO. Selecting Donte Whitner with the # 8 pick and McCargo late in rd 1 were awful picks. They are both good player's, but HUGE reaches, especially Whitner.....................IMO, both were mid second rd picks. Levy get a Clue!
i don't think Whitner was THAT MUCH of a reach. the Bills needed OL help badly, so they screwed up in that department; but i believe Whitner is going to be a very good player. now, McGargo on the other hand -- they're either going to look like geniuses or idiots; probably the latter. cheers
Sorry to disagree, Whitner was a huge reach at # 8. If they wanted Whitner, trade down and pick up an extra pick, that's how value works. With Wimbley, Bunkley, Cromartie, Hill and even Leinhart available, Whitner was just a Dumb pick.
I don't think Whitner was nearly as dumb a pick as Cromartie. Cromartie, who is a pure potential pick coming off an injury, had to be the biggest boom bust pick you could make. I personally don't see the wisdom of selecting a safety when you are that depleted elsewhere. -X-
in terms of talent, i thought Whitner was in the top 10-15 range, and in the top 2 at his position (i guess Huff was/is better). like i said, the Bills had more immediate needs, but Whitner will pay off. yeah, it was a reach, but it wasn't a Bryan Thomas type reach. cheers
Im With Ya On The Cromartie.... He Didnt Even Start, He Wasnt That Great At Fsu Whitner Was A Bit Of A Reach But When You Look At What They Need Not Too Bad, He Will Be Starting For That Ball Club And Have Afew Ints This Year Safety Is An Important Position In Buffalo edit: alot of teams had whitner over huff on their boards...just cause huff was on the national championship team he got more recognition is huff that much better that the bills get shunned for taking whitner more than raiders huff?
Cromartie is playing great out at SD, they are amazed how quickly he has recovered and how fluid he is. For a team like SD, that can wait, I thought it was a great pick.
What makes Bellichick so successful is having the greatest quarterback in the league on his roster. In saying so – Mangini definitely doesn’t have “it”
Word is Cromartie is lighting it up down here in SD. He'll most likely be the #2 CB when the season starts.
I think i will wait till after 8 games before I decide who's team is in trouble. I dont know how a coach can have "IT" after 2 preason games. Say what you want about Jauron but he is more proven than Mangini. He was given a bad break in Chicago and still wound being coach of the year one of his seasons. mangine took over a Romeo Crennel defense after one year and was an HC the next, sounds to me your new GM was trying to give his good buddy a chance. It may work out for you guys and it may not, but dont talk down about my team when your team has just as many question marks if not more.
How would you know if they were reaches when they havent even played a down in the regular season? I think I will atleast wait and see the product Marv has put on the field since he is a Hall of Fame coach in all.
The problem the Bills have is their GM doesn't know what he's doing. To sum it up: would you rather have Matt Leinart, DeMarcus Ware and Julius Jones OR JP Losman and Donte Whitner? That's the effect of the Bill's FO choices over the last couple of years. The trade for Losman in 2004 cost them not only a 2nd round pick in 2004 (Julius Jones) but also the 11 pick in 2005 (DeMarcus Ware.) They then passed on a wide-open Matt Leinart on the 8 pick in 2006 due to the investment in Losman 2 years earlier. Nightmare. The Bills are on the sea floor until they get a completely new FO.
Sometimes a HC can survive a few mistakes the front office makes...but you have to admit...they have made a couple whoppers. Its the NFL...the patriots can come in last...the Jets could be a wild card team...you just never know..but as far as the handwriting on the wall...both the Jets and the Bills should be scrapping and clawing to keep the other in the basement.
I don't think anyone is trying to put your team down. It's just reality. 90% of the threads on this board are about the Jets glaring problems. Now, they wanted to have a healthy discussion about a division rival. Since our problems have been so well documented on this board I will list some of yours.. As bad as our QB situation is-- yours is MUCH worse. You have been rebuilding for 7 years now. You have a RB who has done NOTHING in his career but thinks that he is the "best" in the NFL. Your offensive line is a mess. Much like us -- you have a pretty weak WR core. Your Defense under-achieves. Fletcher and Vincent are fossils. Spikes isn't getting any younger -- and we know what their defense looks like without him (see 2005). You hire an 81 year old GM when you are rebuilding. He's been out of the business aspect of football for years. He has a sub-par draft. They overpay for FA's like Tripplett and Robert Royal. And if Tom Golisano doesn't buy that team from Wilson then we could see The LA Bills. So please feel free to discuss these problems with us. And go check out those other threads about our problems -- put your two cents in. :up:
Why are you still talking about our draft? If you havent noticed Whitner will be starting for us opening day and the last preason game he was all over the place.
The same thing can be said for you guys who also needed a RB and a QB but you did not pursue Reggie Bush and you did not draft Culter or Leinart. So what does that say about your front office?
