The coddling of Geno Smith

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  1. rsmehta

    rsmehta Active Member

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    In an effort to absolutely minimize turnovers, and make things "easy" for Geno, his development has regressed.

    We're not the only team with a sub-par O-Line(and we're not even bottom 5 Oline this year for sure either).

    However, we do coddle our QB and put no trust on him. Geno hardly ever:
    1. Extend plays with his legs
    2. Scrambles/improvises and finds a big open receiver
    3. Sends any passes vertical for 40+ yds
    4. Never gets into no-huddle formations

    Everything is plain Vanilla shotgun formations. The only thing we do to mixup our offense is run ineffective wild-cat formations. You can see Rex/Marty metaphorically scream at him, telling him to just not take any risks and put the game on the defense. In return, we haven't gotten any fortuitous plays on offense all seasons.

    At the first sign of pressure, Geno buckles and throw's the ball away. No improvisation at all, and the coaching staff doesn't trust him to sling it every so often.

    He's treated like a 3rd string QB playing for the first time in the NFL every game!
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    The biggest person to blame for our 5-game win streak is Marty M and everyone that develops offensive gameplans for Geno.

    Please, let the kid loose.
     
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  2. bigbucks24

    bigbucks24 Active Member

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    Aren't 1 and 2 the same?
     
  3. 74

    74 Well-Known Member

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    Carefully what you wish for. Geno let loose is a player committing multiple turnovers and pick sixes.
     
  4. Peebag

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    What are you suggesting the team do? Put in Vick?
     
  5. pclfan

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    It's true they rarely throw the ball downfield. And those sideline short patterns that Marty loves don't work. Even Dan Fouts questioned those play calls when they throw the ball a few yards for no yardage on a 3rd and long. I'm all for making it simple for the guy but going to his strengths. Marty doesn't do that.
     
  6. JetsVilma28

    JetsVilma28 Well-Known Member

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    Geno not running as much has got to be a coaching instruction. A major mistake, since it's one of Genos greatest strengths. At this point, since NYJ fans hate the kid anyway, why not let him run and get hit; I mean who really gives a shit, right? Let this kid run and play football the only way he knows how to.

    Jets coaching has handcuffed this kid into pulling up and trying to throw from the "pocket" hahaha
     
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  7. jcass10

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    He struggled last year at his most when they were trying to scale back everything he does. They let him air it out a bit at the end of the year (against lesser D's) and he looked better.

    Already 1-5, may as well let him sling it. If he bombs, we have the number 1 pick (or 2 or 3). And if he plays well, thats all the better.

    He's at his best when he threatens to run it a bit. A couple weeks ago, he had an easy first down if he ran, but he stopped at the LOS and threw it across the field. That must have been a coaching decision.

    If he's going to fail, at this point in the season, let him go out and do what he does best. And if he continues to fail, we move on.
     
  8. JStokes

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    The number of 3rd down passes he consistently completes 5-8 yards behind the first down marker is alarming--and not to guys in space that can run for first downs--guys completely blanketed that get dropped immediately leading to 3 and outs.

    Dudes here want to tout his elite accuracy, but at 57% completion rate on the year, I'd hazzard to guess a big part of that number are passes well short of the sticks on 3rd down resulting in punts. Irrelevant completions inflating a paltry completion percentage.

    He's at 5.96 YPA, 33rd in the league and the only QB in the league under 6.

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  9. JStokes

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    Let him air it out? He threw for under 200 yards a game over those last 4 weeks. People need to stop fawning over those last 4 games--what he did best was PROTECT the ball. He didn't air it out--he attempted less than 30 passes a game those last 4 games--just about the same as before his historic 4 game meltdown--this year (absent the SD debacle) he's averaging 36 attempts a game. The revisionist history is crazy.

    Shovel passes to Tavon Austin and Stedman Bailey.

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  10. jcass10

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    Air it out was a poor word choice. I just thought he looked way better those 4 weeks than he did prior and I assume its because the coaches let him play with a bit more freedom.

    Trade him for Austin Davis? I'd do it.
     
  11. RubenDias

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    imo geno only way to keep his job for next year is to run the damn ball ala RG3 and Kaep, if he keeps playing like Arod or Brady he will be out of the league real soon because he is not as smart as those 2 , why you put a atheletic, slow to go trough his progressions to sit in the pocket. Yes there is the risk he will get hurt but whats there to lose lol.
     
  12. Zach

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    Facts are not welcome here. Geno aired it out to his hearts content at the end of the season last year, and beat the teams by throwing it down the field 40 times a game, with 60+ yards TD bombs sprinkled all over the place. Remember that.
     
  13. slimjasi

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    And what's worse is that coddling the quarterback is the same mistake we made with Sanchez. The quarterback is never held accountable for his mistakes by the coaching staff (just as Sanchez wasn't). When he fucks up, we simplify things and we adapt around him. Fuck that shit. How about making him adapt? How about not playing him when he fucks up? How about accountability? It's just not something you are going to see with Rex running the team.
     
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  14. JStokes

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    No, he looked better (not "way" better) in comparison to the absolute crap he was for the immediately preceding 4 historically awful weeks because he stopped turning the ball over and used his legs to score some TDs.

    Go look at those games again. Averaging less than 200 yards a game on 28 attempts a game is NOT airing it out.

    MM protected him, and allowed him even less freedom than earlier in the year.

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  15. b.reyes16

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    I agree for the most part. We should open things up if we want big plays.
     
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  16. JStokes

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    He was the second rated QB behind PEYTON FREAKING MANNING those last 4 weeks.

    You can look it up.

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  17. jcass10

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    Wouldnt using his legs more be allowing him more freedom? Because I think it looks like they're cutting down on him using his legs this year as well, and it's hurting him.

    I also dont want to come across as a "Geno apologist" or anything. I'm all aboard the Connor Cooke post round 1 bandwagon lol. Geno's time is up as the guaranteed starter after this season IMO.
     
  18. JStokes

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    When I use the phrase "airing it out" or "more freedom" , I'm talking about throwing the ball more and taking more shots down field.

    They did the opposite of that those last 4 weeks. They skinnied the book down for him and emphasized him not turning the ball over.

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  19. jcass10

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    Ah gotcha.
     
  20. 74

    74 Well-Known Member

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    Just like he's not nearly the passer that Rodgers and Brady are, he's not nearly the runner that RG3 and Kaepernick are.
     

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