The future is bright, fear not!

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  1. NJJets

    NJJets Well-Known Member

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    I know it’s a downer knowing that Justin Fields hasn’t improved into what we all hoped he would, but let’s be realistic in saying we all knew he wasn’t going to be the guy. Thankfully his contract was set up to easily let him go this offseason so we can move on.

    Ladies and Gentlemen, look to the future! We will have a top 5 pick, maybe even #1 overall. And when that happens we can finally draft the QB of our future. And seriously, who out there could be better to help that young QB develop and flourish than a former mediocre DC in his first experience as a HC. When I think of QB development, I think of Aaron Glenn and Tanner Engstrand. Put on your sunglasses everyone, because the future is blinding bright!!
     
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    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    you made this sarcastic point in another thread and thought it was worthy of its own thread
     
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    NJJets Well-Known Member

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    Indeed I did.
     
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    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    I think there is so much to happen between now and then that I can't really follow this. We may not get a top 5 pick. The schedule gets easier, the team is relatively healthy, they havent traded anyone away. There are several bad teams. It is going to be work to get in the top 5. and then even if we do, there's a lot of needs. The Jets don't have to draft a QB, a trade down or even just drafting an impact playmaker on either side of the ball would be welcomed

    As far as developing a QB goes, to your sarcastic point, defensive-minded coaches develop QBs all the time. Hell we are getting eaten alive by Josh Allen, "developed" by the former Carolina Panthers soft spoken defensive coordinator.

    Also I'll state the obvious here, you are talking about next season so the current staff would not be rookie coaches anyway they'd have a year under their belts. And again, a lot can still happen, maybe they arent the coaches anyway next year.
     
  5. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    The offense in large part walks into every game with a good game plan and pretty good play calling all things considered. Engstrand is a little too invested in trying to call rollout or bootleg action on 4th and short.

    I think Fields has been put in a pretty good position to make plays. I’d like to see them run him more but it’s obvious to me the organization put the kabash on him running after he was concussed (which is bullshit).

    So yeah I’ve felt a lot worse about the possibility of developing a QB than what I’ve seen from this offensive staff.
     
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    I agree with this...the future is bright. It's a matter of two things now..
    1. Hitting on the QB
    2. Trying to trade a few pieces for value here (Breece Hall)

    We failed Sam Darnold because he had zero OL and WR help.
    Zac Wilson failed us because he sucked, even though we got him the help and learned from our mistakes.

    What we have now is still a solid foundation, partially for Zac still here. Our OL is fine, nobody can truly say they are a problem. We have GW5 and MT85. But, we need to hit on this next QB....and that's up to the GM to decide. The thing is it will also take time. Feels liek Trevor Lawrence finallly is clicking after being in the league for 5 years. We need patience with this next QB and will have to chip away at D.
     
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    I'll state the obvious--this is the worst defense and scheme the ny jets have ever run. Good grief--why the hell are they running a 4-3? Their middle linebacker, the heartbeat of a 4-3, is tiny former college safety. The DE McDonald is a former college linebacker playing DE. They both get manhandled. Tony Adams is former UDFA, who somehow get to start every week, and is worthless. They vastly overpaid Stephens and therefore don't have the balls to sit him, although Thomas is easily better and could develop into a shut down corner. They start a penalty machine in Clemons each week, and he never gets near the ball. This defense under the current scheme could not stop a high school offense. Glenn, the brilliant defense mind, reminds of Rich Kotite, hired for his offensive mind. WHOEVER is running the jets in 2026 needs to take a long hard look at the defense, the scheme to use, and the players currently under contract. Every week they make nobodies on the other team look like pro bowlers!
     
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    I think your the guy who got banned last week. Thought so last year also. This only further cements my thoughts.
     
  9. ouchy

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    You cant keep making the same mistake and then wonder why we don't get anywhere.

    Take that top 5 pick and trade it for the tools to build a good young core. When you have that, than you look for a QB. Can we STOP with the utter nonsense that a great QB is going to turn us around. Can we stop pissing away our building capital on another destruction of a top 3 QB pick.
     
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    Always a possibility and not necessarily a bad idea, however, I think we have an average (i.e. pretty good) OL now and a good running game…I would say it’s not a bad time to bring in a highly drafted rookie QB…then use the 2nd round pick on the best WR available…not a bad way to go. Yes the defense is for shit, but outside of Edge rusher, you can use free agency to help the D … can’t get a good QB that way. You can get a good WR that way but cost would be super high on that…just like it would be on edge.
     
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  11. ouchy

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    WE DONT!

    We don't have a good anything. We have some serviceable places, a few good players, and that's it.

    You already falling back into the "well we just need a few pieces" crap. And a good rookie QB will fix it. Also, we need a lot more than defense. Don't be fooled. The last 2 games we've faced two of the worst defenses in the league and we can still barely score until garbage time.

    We need a lot of championship caliber players. We need a total tear down and rebuild. We need a lot of high picks in the next few seasons, and a GM that can find quality starters in the later rounds.
     
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  12. Jonathan_Vilma

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    It sounds good in theory but where would some of the shitty teams that took top QB’s be if they traded down instead of taking them?

    The Rams got to a SB after trading up for Goff, the Titans haven’t.

    What if the Commanders traded down and took JC Latham instead of Daniels? They’d still be a gutter franchise as they’ve been for 25 years before they took him.

    What if the Bengals traded down and didn’t take Burrow? They’d still also have a SB appearance since taking him.

    I get the sentiment and I’m not even against it. But you often talk about it as if there’s zero chance a top 5 QB can help turn a shithole franchise around and that’s just not true.
     
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    The Rams had a good team and were at a place to take Goff. Washington was building with youth for years before Danials, and they had 3 seconds and 2 thirds when they drafted him.

    We've seen the real key with Phily and Detroit. They made serious trades and acquired the capital to build a solid young roster, which is cheap, and leaves your cap healthy for FA. Detroit is a little outlier-y when you consider they got multiple firsts for Stafford, and Goff along with them. They weren't afraid to get rid of a top QB to get tools to build up with. We are the opposite. We have mediocrity and continually blow our load to get top QBs - because we convince ourselves that we aren't mediocre.
     
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  14. Jonathan_Vilma

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    Cmon dude. That’s just silly to say. They had 10/12 straight seasons under .500 and the two other seasons in there were 8-8. The Rams weren’t building shit, they were a bottom feeder.

    The Commanders made the playoffs 4 times in 20 years before they took Daniels and had double digit wins twice since 2000.

    These were perennial losing franchises before those QB’s got there. I’m not even against the trade down strategy. But you’ve been beating this drum since we fucked up not trading down with Zach Wilson.

    Point being that there is more than one way to build a team. And you will not go anywhere in this league for the most part without drafting a good young QB.
     
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    The Lions got a retread in a trade and Phily got theirs in the second round. The niners got theirs in the 6th round. Even Mahomes was the 3rd QB taken, outside the top 10. These are all teams that make conference championships. Because they have a championship roster.

    I disagree on your points with the rams and the commanders. Goff didn't take them to the SB, their roster did.
     
  16. Jets79

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    Agreed we don’t have a lot, but specifically OL I think we are average…not top 10 but not bottom 10 either…and certainly “good enough”…our run game has clicked. We lack receivers for sure outside of GW, and it is good to see Taylor starting to get more looks…maybe he can become a good receiving TE for us for a while.

    So agreed, we need A LOT of help…but if there is a good QB when we are on the clock, we kind of HAVE to take him. Not ideal obviously but QBs taken at the top of the round don’t ever go to ideal situations…but I do think dropping a rookie QB behind the OL we have, with Hall and GW as weapons is not the same as what we did to Darnold.
     
  17. ouchy

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    Our line is still a question mark. We've played the 28th, 29th, and 32 ranked defenses so far, and have still given up a lot of pressures/sacks. They have been good at run blocking, but again, against the worst defenses. (Our D is ranked 22).
     
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    Jets should pitch the top pick or likely top 3 pick in a for sale opportunity. Someone may bite
     
  19. PennyRoyal10

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    With this train-wreck season unfolding, they better sure as shit figure out what Arian Smith is so they don't have to invest another high pick in a WR. The fact at this point they don't even seem willing to try and get the guy the ball is insane. I mean, they didn't inherit him, they drafted him, wtf. Either he can catch or he can't, find out now...
     
  20. Pepsiguy5

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    Golden opportunity to do what Ouchy is saying was when we had the obvious chance to keep Sam Darnold, get him some help, and either draft a stud offensive player with that #2 pick or trade it for "the haul"

    Not sure where exactly we'd be right now if we'd done that and I guess no one can be sure but it is pretty damn obvious we'd be in a lot better shape than we are now. Likely at least a fringe playoff team instead of worst team in the league and currently amongst the worst teams the Jets have ever fielded. Which as Francesca points out is saying something.
     

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