I am going to try this once again -- talking about past seasons and plays is hardly productive. Just having watched the reactions of ownership, coaches, and players to the ring ceremony over at Tiffany's this week was as inspiring as a rival can get you to be. I believe the NYJ are committing to a smash mouth, take-no-prisoners brand of running football. I think the CS and the FO are planning to run over the competition, and stomp them out while they are at it. Great offenses are first of all dictators of what is going to happen, whether you like it or not. When you take a look at TJ, and Leon, and Jesse, and Musa -- bolstered by Tony and that Cruicchrick (or however you spell it) -- you are looking at high motor guys who come after it. Should the line get actually bloodthirsty and drink some of that opposing defense's red stuff, then these guys are the right guys to run through and over them. Establishing such a pattern of domination does NOT set up a "dink-and-dunk" scenario. There is no reason to throw for 3 or 4 yards when you are ALREADY running for 6 or 7 yards at a clip. Here's hoping that the NYJs become committed to the inculcation of FEAR and TERROR in the defense. The reason I say that is that if they are TRULY committing to the overwhelmingly brutalizing run game, then the real POISON PILL will be a play-fake and a down the field home run pitch. I don't give a flipping damn who the "chunker" is. You guys on TGG are far too involved in the brand name, for my money. I just want the CS to demand that one of the major criteria for winning th QB job is a magnificent play-faking capability and to hit B. Smith, or L. Coles, or J. Cotchery, or C. Stuckey, or M. Harvey, or D. Keller, or D. Clowney, or Mr. Ball DOWN THE FIELD! IN STRIDE! ON THE FINGERTIPS! and ahead of the surprised and terrified DB who's trying his best (not very well) to catch up. Now this here is supposed to be a strategic discussion, not a personnel discussion. What we try to do, if we commit, is what we're gonna do. Again, I don't think it matters who the QB is if this is the deciding criteria. What do you think?
I don't understand what we're supposed to discuss after reading this? Are we supposed to agree or disagree with something? Are we supposed to provide our own one dimensional game plan littered with unnecessary adjectives and cliches? Will Batman and Robin have the last laugh? It does appear that the FO is planning on trying to control the line of scrimmage with a power running game. If this comes together a lot of other things should fall into place. Do ya smell what I'm cookin?
if this is the case- get me to hempstead. I've got a strained rotator cuff in my throwing arm from pitching all week- but with this stategy, can play QB too. Keep C&C has to be a robot- the same thought gets processed with every post. INPUT!!! INPUT!!
Antidote to a successful running game? Did I catch that correctly? So passing the ball deep down the field will cure us of the disease known as "successful running game?" "Key" to a successful running game. No need to get fancy-schmancy with words we can't spell or use properly, is there? I AM THE GRAMMAR NAZI!
Frankly, I don't care what the Mangini's real intention is: this is my observation from the Patriots game instead. Why Pats game? The road to the SB goes through NE for the time being, and you have to be able to take them on. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. As vaunted as NE OL was, they were weak - I mean, VERY weak - when it came to running. Sure, Maroney did have a few 100+ yard games here and there, but it was more of passing game setting up the running game, than forcing their own will on the opposing defense. So what happened when their passing couldn't bail them out? 1. Luck had to bail them out (See: 2nd Jet game against them) or 2. Lose 2. Also, their "super-genius built" D was exposed somewhat, in that they always had their hands full against big, physical OLs. Had it not been for that stupid AJ Feeley, Eagles would have won the game. Last game against the Giants ring a bell? I'd say the blueprint to bring down the Patriots was set up by then. And what happens when their D can't get off the field quick enough? They get tired. Especially up there in the middle, where Bruschi and Junior man the ILB. And you saw exactly how the Giants dismantled Pats D in the 4th quarter (they had their luck, I admit. It's Eli Manning, for Christ's sake!) with these elements in place. ------------------------------------------------------- With these two observations in mind, I think that the Jets have done exactly what it takes to bring them down; 3. All the exotic blitz schemes and packages can do only so much when you get mauled on the line of scrimmage for 5/6 yards constantly. With their aging LB corps, it's even more of a concern, since if they can't stop the run in the first half, the passing game will shred them to pieces in the second half. So who did the Jets bring in during the draft? That's right, Dustin Keller, TE. Once things go as intended, he's going to have a feast on the slow, tired ILBs during the entire second half. This in turn opens up the secondary, opening up the chances for big plays. 4. What's more encouraging is how the front seven actually bulked up immensely in such a short period of time; Seeing how Pats actually ignored their need for road-grater, I don't see the Pats running on the Jets front 7. Remember, the Jets were very effective shutting down Brady in the second game last year, even with that road-pylon of DLs. If the Jets can show same effectiveness against Brady, luck won't save them this time as they won't be able to run on the Jets front 7. Once the running is shut down, (like it usually is) all the exotic blitzing schemes will come into play with deadly effectiveness. (Oh, wait. That's how the Pats lost during the Superbowl game...) --------------------------------------------------------------------- True, it makes no sense to think that the Jets would go on a limb just to get on with the Patriots - I believe they have laid a good foundation. I just tend to think that, they have chose this particular direction because this seems to be the most effective way to neutralize the Patriots. I mean, if it works well against all other teams but have extra effectiveness against the Pats, why not?
Quality analysis. Well said. Even if it might not be the case for every AFC team, OUR road to the Super Bowl will go through New England for the forseeable future.
It will work until the weather gets cold and windy. Then CHAD would have to play in the playoffs against top defenses and ONE AND DONE! That is not what we want!
Dear Zach, Wow. This is what I was looking for when I wrote that lead-in. I haven't zeroed in, as you have, on the strengths / weaknesses of our nemesis in NE. But you are appropriately right on. Even if they have Victor Hobson in the middle, I don't think it will help them deal with Keller either. Who are they going to put in to spell Wilfork and Seymour, when we wear them out? That's a good question. However, if NE is the best-of-class that we will face, then what do you think about how we will fare against the rest of the AFC? As far as weather is concerned, we do play in the Northeast, and if there is an advantage it will be exploited with a viciously successful running game. Personalities, brands, and prejudices aside, the great running game commitment could actually work with the Patsies. And if it does, won't we be favorites against the rest?
Dear Kentucky Jet, I don't know whether you are right or not about Chad, but, it seems to me that running well and often is the best answer for inclement weather. As Northeast homers, we have to love the wet stuff, and the cold stuff, and the bitter horizontal stuff, and take maximum advantage of it. The one thing, as I remember, that defenses hate in bad weather is to have to deal with heavy hitters and large RBs. Folks who play on rugs and in living rooms (like the F-ing Colts) do not like to get busted up when they are cold and wet too. And if the RB is enjoying running around and over them, then maybe we will never have to throw it on those sorry sad sacks to kick their asses. Should be fun.
Quote: "...For this to work you need a Qb who can actually throw the ball at least 30 yards down the field on a conistant basis...." Dear JCotchrocket, I think you are correct in this reading of the downfield throwing requirement. If I were going to play-fake and chunk it down field, I would certainly want the QB to be able to hit the WR in stride. Earlier today, in sorting through a bunch of YOUTUBEs I had to watch Kellen throw a pass to a streaking L.Coles and make him stop and wait for the ball. By the time it got there, Coles had to turn and start running again, only to be caught by a DB before he crossed the goal line. Now that could just as easily have been Tui or Chad as it was Kellen -- but the fact is that we need to hit these guys in stride if they have been able to separate and confound their defenders. Otherwise we just waste all that good effort.
NDMick, I get the impression you think that all we argue about on TGG is what brand or name we're going to go with. The strategy that gets THIS team to win is more important than who one cog or another is. Savior - itis is passe, NDmick. If we replace one guy and foresake the rest, the lot of the NYJs stays the same. We're a long way from the SB right now. I only hope that the team, despite its hard work, resolve, good coaching, solid comraderie and hard work does better this time than 4-12. It will take all 53 of them if it does. Regardless of the "brand" at any one position, in my opinion.
Whiteshoewillie, I am unsure of your motivations, but hopefully you will note some of the excellent responses hereto that can actually foment something other than put-downs.
Mr. Beaman, I hope you still like the NYJs, and have an opinion. Getting mad at posters is a secondary phenomenon, don't you think?
I'm not looking for the savior-- i'm looking for a leader. With what you think I'm looking for, the Jets will end up like the Bengals- all Palmer, nothing else... I'm looking for more of a Seahawks theory- I'll take Matt Hasselbeck any day of the week.
Mr Keep Chad&Kellen, You rehash the same argument over and over and over and over and over and over in every thread that has to do with anything on the offensive side of the ball. Your argument does not open a debate, it simply is you saying you think a power running game is essential to having a good offense. Great Congrats But if you think the QB is not important, you have not been watching the same sport as I have... Here and there, you're going to have to operate under pressure, quickly, and usually the running game isn't going to be a factor. I know, I know, I know I'm going to get the same response. But the QB MUST be able to make all the throws. The QB MUST be able to engineer a successful 2 minute drill for a TD without the help of his running game here and there. The QB MUST be able to make a play here and there without everyone else on the offense being perfect. I KNOW you won't understand this concept, but it is absolutely true. Saying it doesn't matter who is under center is a pretty good way to showcase your ignorance of the reality of NFL football. Maybe in high school you can succeed without a decent QB, but in the NFL, that's not how it works. Build one of the top 5 defenses of all time, and you might be able to do it. But until we're on the level of the 85 Bears or 00 Ravens, we're going to need a competent QB
Palmer is no slouch either....I wouldn't shed a tear if he played for the Jets. Hasselbeck is great too. Hell, as a Jets fan...regarding our current situation....I'd take anybody that could throw a 10 yard out-route without an opposing CB foaming at the mouth.
The point I was making is that Palmer is a great QB without a team around him, he is the savior in Cincy, but everyone else has been a problem. In Seattle, Hasselbeck is not a savior. He is a damn good QB who is a pure leader, but no savior- he has a team around him, as well as being able to do the things necessary to make a SB... he did not lose the SB with bad decisions either. Thats the point I was trying to make to KC&C, who thinks that with god-like players everywhere except for QB, you can have a dynasty. With that theory - Brett Ratliff can be the QB and throw from his knees all game, and we'll go 19-0. Football doesn't work that way.
