The media and fans are being way too hard on Todd Bowles and staff

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  1. jetfannerd

    jetfannerd Trolls

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    Coaching is not the issue with this team- Talent is.

    The Jets played hard today and I thought Todd and staff had a great plan going in, but unfortunately when injuries hit a team that already lacks talent and they are competing against an elite team 41-3 happens.

    The anger and vitreal should be Mike McCagnan as he drafted guys like Devin Smith and Brandon Shell.

    He also has Bryce Petty and Ryan Fitzpatrick thanks to McCagnan.

    We are all educated and know the Jets well as message board fans. Let's get together and support Bowles and crucify Mac.
     
  2. geomon

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    It's the coach's job to get his team ready to play week to week. Todd Bowles hasn't done that. There is no defense you can use for this season, literally none.
     
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  3. The Dark Knight

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    Disagreed. You are just as bad as the Bowles haters if you are hating on Mac. Both are in the process of building and fielding the team they want. Petty is a 2nd year QB drafted in the 4th Round. Fitz is a journeyman QB who actually played pretty well in 2015. Neither are worth blaming the GM over.
     
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  4. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    I've been extremely critical of Maccagnan, but I believe general managers need more times than head coaches as it takes at least two to three years to truly analyze draft classes. Maccagnan has been horrible in his free agent signings that consisted of band aid type signings of aging veterans.

    It also takes a longer time to get a staff in place for the general manager as they don't have time to bring in their own scouting department until year two.

    I don't believe that's the case with head coaches and coaching staffs. If we went 4-12 with some hard fought games and bad breaks here and there and little to no locker room problems Bowles gets a pass.

    He's absolutely lost as a head coach though with the entire locker room fighting with each other and multiple games with no effort blow outs. Even the Browns are still playing hard with their first win going into today at 0-14.

    In game he's absolutely terrible. Taking a time out to let Brady hit a bomb at the end of the half setting up a score. Are you kidding me? I've been up and down on whether or not we need to get rid of Bowles or not. We're devoid of talent right now because of injury, but he's just completely lost in managing a game and keeping a locker room together. Sorry, but I think a culture change is badly needed. Let the general manager choose his guy.
     
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  5. The Dark Knight

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    He is bad in-game but not on that particular call. It's 20-0 at the time, you are still playing to win. Stop them again on 3rd down and have the ball with 30+ seconds and 1 time out remaining. He actually played that as a coach trying to win. However, most of the time he does make bad decisions.
     
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  6. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    I guess. But stop them again and get the ball back after the punt at what our own 30 yard line with your third string quarterback and one timeout?

    I get what you're saying. But you need to make sure you don't give Brady second chances. I could just be being overcritical.
     
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  7. The Dark Knight

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    Belichick clearly agrees with you and took offense to it so he bombed the Jets and made it 27-0. I agree with Bowles' timeout but the truth was the game was over at kickoff. So coaching it in a competitive way down 20-0 might have been the wrong move and proved to be.
     
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  8. LongIslandBlitz

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    You liked there gameplan going in?Lol what was the gameplan exactly?Look like a a bunch of civilians that won a contest and get to play in the NFL for a game?
     
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    I see Santa Troll has delivered on TGG again!
     
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    We have nearly the same team as last year. Last year we were a few plays from sweeping the Pats. Yes we have a harder schedule this year but our performances against one of the most even keeled above average team in the past decade year to year is completely different with many of the same players.

    It's the coaching.
     
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  12. 24McNeil

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    this is the worst team i have ever seen in my life time....and i have been watching for over 30 years.....

    ....and yes, this team would lose 9 out of 10 times to a kotite team.....at least that team tried more times than not.
     
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    I understand what your trying to do and honestly I respect it, however the talent on this team is better then most teams in the NFL.

    Richardson, Williams, Wilks, Mauldin, Lee, Pryor, Harris, Revis, if schemed correctly could be having much better years.

    When a CS sits a young OLB (mauldin) who had 5 sacks in his rookie season and needs more playing time to get better, in favor of putting a DE in his OLB position, that is not on Mac it's on TB and his DC.

    When they refuse to give an aging Revis help over the top as he continues to give up 100 yard halfs to WR, that's on the CS.

    This oline when healthy in the beginning of the year was one of the better lines in the NFL, and the jets were still not able to take advantage of it especially in the redzone. That's not on Mac.

    Bilal Powel has proven he can be a key contributor to this team and was never used by Gailey until there was no other choice, that's on the CS.

    Going into the half with 3 TO and no desire to use a 2 minute offense to try and score points on multiple occasions, again, it's on the CS particularly TB.

    The one thing I blame on Mac, is Fitz, he's probably the biggest reason this team went backwards, there is nothing that anyone could do, TB included, to make up for bad QB play.
     
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    This team quit worse the Pete Caroll team that lost its last five games and got him fired after one season.
     
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    I've been VERY on the fence about firing Bowles until today. I think you have to give a coach and his staff time to bring in player to fit their scheme and grow with them. But after today I think it's obvious this team has no desire to play for this coach and his staff. Too many games this year where we look like a group of guys who were picked up on the way to the game and thrown out there to play.no preparation no adjustments and no HEART

    It's time to start over AGAIN
     
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    There's no defending the job that Bowles has done this season. No defending it whatsoever. Time and time again, the defense is making mental mistakes (often the same mental mistakes) and are repeatedly out of position. It would be one thing if they were playing the scheme properly but just getting beat because the talent isn't there, but that hasn't been the case. There's been some of that, but a lot of it is on them not knowing what to do.

    Bad players can learn to avoid penalties. The 2016 Jets have failed to do this. Bad players can show up and give an effort. The 2016 New York Jets have failed to do this. That's on the coaching staff as well as the players.

    Maccagnan has made mistakes but deserves a chance to continue on. The rest of it, however, needs to be blown up. This is one of those seasons after which there must be consequences.
     
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    Kicking field goal down 41-0?

    Sorry, not the coach for me

    Pathetic inept clueless stiff
     
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  18. JetBlue

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    Bowles is fucking horrible and has continually proven himself to be absolutely clueless with in-game decisions the entire season. Someone making the moronic decisions he has made in-game for us all to see certainly isn't somehow more competent in his abilities in the areas we aren't privy to.
     
  19. Walt White

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    Nerd was a division I starting QB, and knows scouts in the NFL. Yup, he said so. Dude knows shit.
     
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    Both have done terrible jobs and both should be fired....Mac and Bowles are both nice guys and sound smart but they have destroyed this team together

    For some reason people give Mac a pass when he's done nothing positive....We had a ton of cap space and he blew it on a bunch of overpaid and overrated bums. He actually thought Fitzpatrick was a good option twice which is a fire-able offense in my eyes alone. His drafts have been pretty bad overall....Leonard Williams was a no brainer, show me what else he's done

    I honestly don't know where to go from here but cutting your losses with both of these frauds is a good first step
     
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