Time to make 4-3 our base defense?

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  1. Greenday4537

    Greenday4537 Well-Known Member

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    https://thejetpress.com/2017/07/02/new-york-jets-move-darron-lee-outside/

    Based on that article.

    Let's face it, we don't have enough good linebackers to do a 3-4 the majority of the time. Plus, why is Darron Lee playing ILB? He's too small and gets blocked out super easy by larger interior linemen. He has the skills and size to be a good OLB. OLB was what he played in college. Mauldin should move inside. he's too big and too slow for OLB. Let Jenkins play the strong-side OLB.

    I don't think I need to point out the obvious choices for our front 4. (Williams-McLendon-Richardson-Wilkerson because I do).

    We've just reached the point of silliness playing people so out of position. I'm glad they already stopped the Richardson at OLB non-sense. It's time to scheme based on our personnel that we have, not some system we'd ideally like to run some day.
     
  2. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Yeah but our brain-dead gm will end up trading richardson for a 7th round pick in 2021 so that idea will have to be rethought.
     
  3. Cman69

    Cman69 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    Didn't TB make his bones coaching the 3-4?
     
  4. LV Coach

    LV Coach Well-Known Member

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    Greenday is spot on. Based on our roster, the 4/3 is correct. Now let's see if the DC plays it that way on most down and situations. If you have any negatives to this , spell it out so that it make sense.
     
  5. Greenday4537

    Greenday4537 Well-Known Member

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    I didn't follow the Cardinals so I don't know. According to Pro Football Reference, yes, but they have been running a base 3-4 since 2009, well before Todd Bowles.

    Also, 2013 they had beasts on defense and 2014 their secondary was still insane. I think most defensive coordinators would have done wonders with what they had.

    Make the nickle our base defense?
     
  6. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    The idea of the 'Base defense' is dead in the NFL. More and more teams are running nickel and dime defenses. Lee will never be a thumper, but Bowles for the most part runs a nickel defense with exotic blitzes and man coverage. Think 3 defensive lineman, 3 linebackers and 5 defensive backs; 4 defensive lineman, 2 linebackers, 5 defensive backs. Lee is a linebacker that can blitz, and cover the field in open space. Ideally, you find another guy you can pair with him that can do some dirty work.

    With the 4-3 in mind only, Maudlin would be a defensive lineman along with Jenkins who both you would rather see rush the passer and put their hands in the dirt. None of those guys would be a linebacker in a 4-3 alignment. They are not players you put out in space. Maybe Jenkins, but rarely would I.
     
  7. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    I disagree. While Lee may be better suited to playing OLB, I doubt that Mauldin is better suited to playing ILB, and I KNOW Williams and Mo are not better suited to play 4-3 DE.

    Now when we make the coaching change following this season, if the new HC wants to run a 4-3 D, fine. But we'd never generate any pressure on the edges if we switched full time to a 4-3 this year. Richardson and McLendon would probably get some pressure on the inside, and occasionally Mo or Williams might get pressure on the outside, but we'd have to blitz Lee, Maye or Adams on about every passing down.
     
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    jilozzo Well-Known Member

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    Me thinks if we play 3-4, 4-3, 2-5, 5-2, 1-6, 6-1, 0-7, 7-0.......its not gonna matter in 2017.
     
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    Mogriffjr Well-Known Member

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    Almost all teams stay in a nickel set anyways. It's about the Jets having the talent to run a true 4-2-5 basically. Or a 3-3-5 with one of the safeties playing in the box with 3 corners and the other high safety. At least with the drafting of Adams and Maye, you have super athletic guys who can fly to the football including Lee. Now the issue is generating pass rush from the outside to collapse the pocket. mauldin off one edge as a down linemen (or Donahue/Jenkins/whoever as a OLB rusher, basically creating 5 guys to rush) have to be able to collapse the outsides to the strength of the Jets defensive line and that's up the middle. I fully expect Big Cat to continue to be a stud, Mo Wilk to regain his form as one the best DT's in the game and Sheldon to have a good year because he's in his contract year.
     
  10. Jets69

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    No but it will make for a great topic when we're 0-12 we can blame the scheme on it.
     
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  11. HomeoftheJets

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    We're going to run a 4-4-4. That's where we line up in a 3-4-4 and Sheldon runs out as the 12th man. :eek:
     
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    This isn't the Giants in the Super Bowl on the final play of a game. You can't do that all the time and expect to get away with it.
     
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    we're gonna run a 0-0-2 where the '2' is our new safties. Move everyone else to offense!

    but as far as moving Lee to the outside, that sounds like that young OLB Maybin we got from Buffalo a few years back under Rex. He had a few good moments but otherwise he was flattened by bigger o-lineman. He was build similar to Lee....so I think Lee would suffer the same fate. Pancake.
     
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  14. Glenn G

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    I didn't read the link but my guess is some writer thinks because we have 4 pretty good DL, we should be playing a 4-3.
    As was mentioned, we don't have 4-3 DE's and I don't think any LB except Lee and possibly Mauldin is a 4-3 LB.
     
  15. HomeoftheJets

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    Who said we're going to get away with it?
     
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    Isn't Mauldin going to be in jail?
     
  17. 101GangGreen101

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    Maudlin can absolutely play 4-3 defensive end. He did so in college.
     
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  18. Glenn G

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    Did I say he couldn't play DE?
     
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    The Jets played mostly 4 man front against the Bengals week 1 last year and it produced 7 sacks and only 50 rushing yards. It was also without Richardson. Unfortunately the secondary sucked balls led by the Revis Super Continent.

    I think they could certainly run more 4 man fronts this year to overcome the lack of production from the 3-4 OLBs. It doesnt have to be a 4-3 per se. There are plenty of other formations to run using the 4 man front.
     
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    Perchance if thou speakest regarding wins and losses, then I doth agree, but if thou speakest in terms of how the D doth play, then I doth disagree.
     

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