Without a doubt......The most dynamic player in the upcoming draft is.... Vince Young Without a doubt. He is the franchise ...of franchise QB's. If the Jets' have an opportunity to draft Vince Young & pass on him...:shit: This will be the 2nd darkest day in Jets' draft history....:raiders: Red Zone : Vince Young will be hard to stop in the 'red zone'.... The 1st.... Passing on Dan Marino :up: Unreal.....Looking at the highlight of Vince Young at www.draftdaddy.com What this guy can do with his legs & his arm :up: For anyone who thinks different, they need to go see a doctor & a Psychiatrist. Let the highlights & results be the judge. This guy is a monster. Don't be surprised to see a team trade up at the last minute & select Vince Young. He's the real deal.
Undisputed means it is factual, and cannot be denied. This is purely your opinion. Personally, I don't like Young, and I think he is going to be a disappointment in the NFL. He will be nothing more than a Vick impersonator. Running backs run, quarterbacks throw. I don't know why guys like Vick/Young are trying to reinvent the wheel.
Believe it or not, there are those in the world whos opinions differ from your own. In fact, in this case, I think your the minority. Vince Young is a project. I liked him early in his college career, Ive soured on him since then, mostly because hes gotten by on his athletic ability and not really developed as a passer... at all. Pretty much any time you look at a quarterback whos first round standing is due to athletic ability, I think youve got to take a big step back. Michael Vick hasnt really developed at all, hes the same player now that he was in college (plus a few injuries). Alex Smith made it to the top of the draft largely because of his scrambling ability, I think its safe to say that so far, hes done very little to help the 49ers win anything. There have been a few exceptions, such as Donovan McNabb, of guys who have come into the league labeled as scramblers, and amounted to something as an NFL starter, but for every McNabb theres at least one Quincy Carter or Aaron Brooks, a guy who was drafted on athletic ability and never learned to be a quality passer. I dont want a quarterback in the first round this year, at least not with the #4 pick. If we did take one, Id expect it to be Leinart. Neither of these other guys sounds like the type that our current coaches would be interested in.
just cause the guy has a weird motion and can happen to make big plays with his feet (people act like its a bad thing) doesn't mean he can't make big plays with his arm....he was the nations most efficeient passer last year i think this franchise needs to take a chance on this guy...he just has gamebreaker written all over him, and you can't win the sb without being content and not taking risks
You cant evaluate a player based on their stats, you evaluate them based on actually watching them play. Vince Young is very raw as a passer. Scrambling ability certainly doesnt hurt, but it also doesnt come close to justifying the huge investment you have to make in a top five quarterback. Personally, I think Young is a project. I think theres a certain type of scheme that he could succeed in, and I think theres a certain sort of team that would pick him. I dont think hes a fit for the Jets. Well find out for sure in a month or so, because I guarantee hes still on the board at #4.
he does have a very good arm, and i have watched him plenty of times...he is a very good qb but even so, passer efficency or rating in the nfl is a very good formula that gives you an idea of how good a qb plays....it's not just your average "stats"
the best part about his game is that sometimes he does'nt have to do too much. he opens up the the other players because he demands so much attention on the field. you cannot say he does'nt fit to be a jet, we do have a new coach, oc and dc.
Yea, and Im saying he doesnt fit based on what I know about those coaches. Mangini wants players who are smart, players who will spend 60 hours a week watching film, players who come to work every day and do their job. In a nutshell, he wants Tom Brady. Or Chad Pennington. What he doesnt necessarily want is a freakish athlete, and while Youngs Wonderlic scores dont necessarily mean hes a moron, it certainly suggests that he isnt exactly a classroom wiz. As for Schottenheimer, all I know about him is he worked with Drew Brees and Phillip Rivers, both of which had some athleticism, but primarily were pocket passers, did some bootlegs, a lot of play action, not a whole lot of scrambling. Nothing about Schottenheimer suggests he couldnt work with Young, but a lot about Mangini suggests that hed rather go in a different direction.
Name some other QB's in the NFL that had a season where they led the nation in passing efficiency in college. I'll give you a hint on one of them. He's black, a starting QB, and plays for an NFL team from Georgia. College stats mean nothing.
that being said vince young reminds me more the culpepper/mcnabb kinda qb.. ifh e comes close to that that means he is elite.
Amazing, I am a fool because I don't believe that you can change a position like QB any more than you can change the position of pitcher in baseball. Interesting. McNabb is elite. Culpepper is not. Neither is Vick. Why is McNabb elite? He became a QB. He stopped running around, and started throwing the ball. Culpepper still runs around, and without a Moss to be the center of defensive attention, what happened? Not very elite. Vick is simply a RB who throws the ball once in a while. If we are going to talk stats as a measure of Young's dominance, I want to see his # of attempts, # of completions, # of completions over 20 yards, and the same for the other QBs coming out this year. It's amazing how people argue that Penny is overrated because even though his efficiency is high, he can't throw the long ball. Young's long passes go ridiculously far. They also go 10 yards to the right of the target. Any day of the week I'll take a Penny who can throw between 5 and 20 yards but hit his target over and over before I take a guy who risks INTs on his deep passes. We had a guy like that, you may remember him, his name was Vinny Somthingorother. If you want a RB get a RB. If you want a QB, get someone who can throw the ball. How many QBs that make it on the weekly top rushing lists have won a Super Bowl? Young = overrated, not undisputed.
:rofl: :rofl: culpepper is a much more prolific passer than mcnabb. the stats tell the whole story on that.
Hydro, you have to be kidding me. McNabb led his team to the Super Bowl, without TO. Culpepper led Minny where exactly? I mean besides the party boat...
Culpepper always had Moss to throw too. Mcnabb had arguably the worst group of recievers in the NFL, yet still put up good numbers. Once Moss left, Culpepper was a man without a country. He could not run that offense effectively. Mcnabb was doing a great job before Owens arrived (and while he was injured). Take Brad Johnson and put him in Philly, and he wont do a better job than Mcnabb. Plug him in Minnesota's offense, and he's more efficient than Culpepper. Bottom line.....Mcnabb is a better QB by far than Culpepper. No question.
A) i dont think we should draft a qb at #4. We will be investing so much into our qb.We can't plan for next year like our two starting quarterbacks are gonna get injured again. B) IF we do draft a qb.... i hope it's not vince young. I know he can make plays with his legs, but, he can't dominate with his legs in the NFL like he did in college. All he did in college was go in the shotgun and either run or heave it 40 yards...won't cut it in the NFL. He has yet to prove that he can accurately throw the ball. And in the NFL an effective passer will always be more succesfull than a pure scrambler...
