View of the 2013 Jets - Not pretty

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  1. Cman69

    Cman69 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    Alert: All those who are big fans of the FO/CS, you might want to avoid reading this story...

    Taken from today's NYPost:

    Pretty good summary. Not much there to complain about if you're not particularly fond of the way things have been going. Good thing Costello didn't go into the draft picks sans Sheldon Richardson as they haven't panned out quite so well.

    I dunno. Give Idzik a mulligan for 2013, but a microscope for 2014. We'll see how things unfold next season. I am beginning to wonder just how many more times we have to let new hires in the most important positions in the organization learn on the job. It doesn't seem to be working all that well for us so far.
     
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  2. nyjunc

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    I won't bash Idzik as it is too early but we never should have fired Tannenbaum.
     
  3. Br4d

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    2013 was never going to be pretty. That's the reality of a 6-10 team with too many aging vets eating up chunks of the cap in 2012. When you let those guys go, as the Jets had to do, the young guys and cheap stopgaps that replace them are going to be kind of ugly to watch for a year.

    That just is what it is.

    The media, as usual, is creating as much churn around the Jets as they can to sell advertising.

    They have to sell something, and "Woe is the Giants!" isn't going to sell all that well despite the fact that the Giants are screwing up with more talent on the roster in a weaker division.
     
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    we had a great chance to make the playoffs, if we don't have the sham QB competition drag out we are a playoff team right now and Geno is learning from the bench where he should have been helping us both short term and long term.
     
  5. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    And you sir, as usual, are green glasses delusional.
     
  6. jetsclaps

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    He's just fishing for a story with the Antonio Allen angle. A player can develop just fine by sitting behind a future hall of famer, not to mention I'm sure Costello was saying what a great move bringing in Ed Reed is.

    Also not to mention the Jets are STILL TIED FOR THE LAST WILD CARD SPOT.

    But the worst part of the article is he blames Rex for ruining Tebow's career.... Tebow ruined Tebow's career.

    Overall this article is complete garbage.
     
  7. jilozzo

    jilozzo Well-Known Member

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    i dont see any mention of woody johnson in this piece and i think he needs to shoulder at least some of the attention for the revolving door at QB.

    he is on record for saying as long as he is the owner the "jets will always have a strong armed presence at QB"........

    hhmmm. quite the opposite since he wrote the check.
     
  8. Br4d

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    The article is par for the course for the muckraking media as they relate to the Jets.

    The Ed Reed move was a very questionable move for a rebuilding team but that's what happens when you're accidentally in the 6th slot at the bye.
     
  9. FJF

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    meh, he disregards the cap problems when talking about signing campell or fitz. blaming rex for ruining tebows career is laughable. not going to go any further on that. funny how this article came out now and not during the bye. most of these writers frame all of these articles before the season and roll them out when the time is right.they win next week and the tune will change again
     
  10. Jetaho

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    It's so easy to bitch and moan.
     
  11. Br4d

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    Since Woody took over:

    2001-2002: Kept a strong-armed Vinny in at QB past his expiration date.
    2002-2007: Lived with a good QB who could not stay healthy.
    2008: Brought in a hired gun with probably the strongest arm in football for a year.
    2009-2012: Went with a QB reputed to have an arm capable of making all the throws.
    2013: went with a rookie whose main selling point was that he had one of the best arms in the draft.

    That the Jets haven't found a guy with a cannon to play for them regularly is due more to who they have traded up to draft than anything else.
     
  12. Cman69

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    Agreed. Woody does deserve some heat for this situation going back to the "you can never have enough Tebow" quote. He may not be as bad as Jerry Jones, but he's not exactly helping things with his decision making in the background. Don't mind me, I'm still pissed at him because he didn't try to get the old Yonkers Raceway site for a Jet Stadium but instead, it was Westside or nothing. It wound up being nothing.
     
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    he is right though -- an Average QB gets this team to the playoffs. They run the ball and stop the run -- those things travel well in the playoffs and in bad weather. Secondary is eh but if you have an offense that is able to do simple things you win 10 games.
     
  14. Falco21

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    To think this is even remotely a good article is laughable. Rex ruined Tebow's career? Should have signed other QBs with our cap situation?

    The problem is, this delusional media treats this team like they are a power house, loaded with talent and are just not winning. We are a team that has a young roster, a rookie QB, and are just coming out of cap hell. Yet, we are 5-6 fighting for the last playoff spot. Give me a break. When we have all the pieces in place and we finish with a losing record, then come talk to me. As of right now, I am shocked where we are at and quite frankly, Rex has superseded what I originally thought would happen before the season started.
     
  15. jilozzo

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    i think many fans, and rightfully so, interpet WJ's comment about a strong armed presence at QB not if the ball can be thrown 70 yards but that QB who has the presence and solidifies the position consistently year in and year out.

    for a multitude of reasons the jets still have not found an answer.

    is it luck? snakebit??, curse?? - how the hell do i know but i do know that u make ur own success and the jets have done a poor job in the QB category over the better part of the last 3 decades.
     
  16. Br4d

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    Yes, but...

    Mark Sanchez is not an average QB. Mark Sanchez is a bad QB.

    Jay Cutler is an average QB. Philip Rivers is an average QB. Tony Romo is an average QB. None of those guys were available this year.

    Alex Smith would have been doing a Neil O'Donnell by now with the lack of talent around him in the offense. Ryan Fitzpatrick would have been his usual turnover prone self when his receivers couldn't consistently make plays and he had to force stuff. Andy Dalton would have been in early Drew Brees land with no receivers and trying to do too much with not enough experience.

    I'm not defending Geno when I say this, because Geno had played very badly at times, but to think that the Jets were Mark Sanchez away from a playoff spot is just delusional.

    You want to know when the Jets were Mark Sanchez away from a playoff spot? In 2011 when they were 8-5 and he stunk up the joint at the ned and they finished 8-8. In 2012 when they were 6-7 and he stunk up the joint and they finished 6-10.

    I can't prove this any more than Junc and the homers can but I believe the Jets would have been about 2-9 at this point with Sanchez playing for them. I think they win none of the tight games they won and I totally doubt that they win the Saints game before the bye. There is no way Sanchez goes that entire game without a TO and all it would have taken is one TO and the Saints sneak out of there with a win.
     
  17. jilozzo

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    whoa - u really think romo and rivers are average??? i think they are better than that regardless of playoff stuff.

    surprised at that - u digging into the turkry tryptophan already :wink:
     
  18. Br4d

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    Great QB's are rare.

    How many great QB's has New England had since Namath retired?

    One.

    How many great QB's has Miami had since Namath retired?

    One.

    How many great QB's has Buffalo had since Namath retired?

    One.

    How many great QB's has Indianapolis (5th team in the East until 2000) had since Namath retired?

    One.

    When the Jets find the great QB they will be the only team from the old East that has had two great QB's since the merger.

    It just is what it is.

    Put another way:

    Great QB's who have played for an AFC East team since the merger - Namath, Griese (pure game manager), Marino, Kelly, Manning, Brady, done.
     
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  19. Falco21

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    I agree, but I wouldn't really call Tony Romo an average QB.

    In his career, he has:

    64.7% Completion
    28,668 Yards
    200 TD
    98 Interceptions
    95 QBR

    I would say that is well above average. If he keeps doing what he's doing, he'll have a seat in the hall of fame.
     
  20. Br4d

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    I think they're well below the top tier of NFL QB's and on a year in year out basis pretty average as QB's go.

    The Jets aren't likely to win a championship with the 18th best QB playing for them. It would take a defense like the 2000 Ravens or the 2002 Bucs to get that done and while I love Rex's approach to defense and I like the Jets defensive talent it's not at that level of 4 or 5 absurdly good players per team that can dictate to any NFL offense.

    There was a time, BTW, when both Romo and Rivers were in that top echelon but that time has passed by at this point.

    Look at Romo's early years before all the talent rolled in on the offensive side of the ball and look at him now. Big difference.
     
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