I was reading some articles about the Jets and was trying to figure out why it's set up this way. Obviously the simple answer is "because that's how woody wants it" and I get that but why? What's the benefit? Are there other teams set up this way?
Depends on the situation. Obviously, in New England you are not going to have Belichick reporting to a GM. In fact the pecking order in NE is probably owner, coach, GM. In Cleveland it's probably owner, GM, coach. Charlie Casserly said when he was GM in Houston, he was in control, however, when he was hired as GM of Washington earlier in his career, Joe Gibbs was the coach and had to accept that Gibbs was calling the shots. As for the Jets, given how the GM and coach were hired together through recommendations of third parties, it's a reasonable setup. I imagine if Bowles wins a couple of Super Bowls here, he might get to determine who the GM should be.
In that event I could understand but a first time head coach? Idk.. I think he should report to the GM. Either way I feel better knowing other teams are set up this way even if it's not the exact situation I guess
Mac is a first time GM though. I suspect Woody didn't want to repeat the Idzik/Rex scenario where the GM was responsible for a coach he didn't appoint. So a joint reporting structure made some sense for two guys who were first timers and basically appointed together. Of course, he's created a different problem (or a different version of the same problem if you prefer) and ended up with a GM who needs to evaluate longer term and a HC who seems to be coaching for his job and reluctant to give time to guys who are still learning. Basically, whatever structure you choose has potential flaws in it once things start to go wrong.
Because they're lovers.... Happy? I've been trying to stay hush but your thread made me spill the beans.
I think this is accurate and I also believe you described the fundamental problem of hiring a first time head coach simultaneously with a first time GM.
I basically agree with MoWilk and you, but think that the traditional structure of the HC reporting to the GM is the best except in a situation like Belichik or maybe Andy Reid. It is basically nuts to hire a first-time HC and GM unless the GM has had some time to get acclimated to his new team, interview/vet candidates and makes the hire. Even then, it's risky. Hiring a HC and GM within a day of each other is insane, and only Woody would do something like that.
You're right, I don't remember anyone complaining about that specifically at the time, but do think that some wanted a HC with experience. We really didn't have much, if any, choice. When was the last time a veteran GM who was worth a damn was out of work and available to be hired? What veteran HCs were out there that were really attractive alternatives? Most fans don't like re-tread HCs. The ones that were "out there" were Cowher, Gruden, Marrone and Coughlin. Cowher probably has no interest in the Jets, or if he did, he'd want to be HC and GM. Gruden is probably happy in the TV booth, but even if he wasn't, he wasn't that successful. He won a SB with a team that someone else developed and put together. Marrone was pretty bad in Buffalo and almost no one wanted him. Few liked Coughlin. Bowles and Quinn were the hot HC candidates of the day. Mac was a great GM prospect. We got excited and hoped that we had found a GM/HC tandem that could be here for 10-20 years. I think that excitement is now gone, and at least some, if not many, people who weren't in favor of hiring a "retread: HC now are. We're tired of all the rookie HCs.
Woody has taken the approach of flinging shit at the wall and seeing if anything sticks. Sent from my KIW-L24 using Tapatalk
of course not, back then everyone was full of hope and visons of grandeur. back then we had "finally found our h.c/g.m. combination that was going to turn this franchise around". back then "woody finally got it right and listened to some bonafide football people". back then "bowles had a calm professional demeanor" want to guess whats different now?
I don't know, I was screaming hire a fucking GM and let him hire a coach. I am fairly certain Cman was doing the same among others here.
