2011 Other Preseason Games

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  1. felker

    felker Active Member

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    Yes, and there was a penalty on that one. Later we will hear about the fine.
     
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  2. felker

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    Running up the score in the first quarter.

    :rofl:
     
  3. James Calvin

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    The league is so outraged over this non penalty hit they are not calling for any fines.

    Meanwhile, it was a massive coaching failure, which isn't being reported either.
     
  4. ukilledkenny

    ukilledkenny You bastards!

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    I think it's a real thing at the youth level. Once you get to high school running up the score no longer exists.
     
  5. BrowningNagle

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    what the hell is Woodhead doing on the punt team in the 4th quarter of a blowout preseason game anyway?

    There is such thing as running up the score though, and I will take you Pats fans at your word that last night's game isnt so much a case because they got up early and what not, but don't act like BB doesnt like to run up the score ever, especially in preseason/meaningless games or meaningless quarters.

    He loves to do that BS because then when they come out against teams that they don't face much (NFC teams) or pussy teams like the Bills, Bengals, AFC SOUTH (besides IND) etc.. its over before it even gets started because those teams come out afraid/tentative.

    Fortunately, I think the Jets have shown that they aren't afraid at all of the Pats shenanigans. They aren't "kissing their rings" or affected by big numbers they put up on the scoreboard. (even when it comes against them earlier in the year!)

    The Jets have shown they will come at the Pats just as hard as the Pats against them and feel they are the better team. Even if it unravels on MNF, it doesn't matter because they can shake it off and come after them with the same/ or more intensity next time. The Ravens, Colts, Steelers, Giants, are examples of teams that approach them the same way.

    However the majority of Pats wins occur before the game even starts or early on with teams that for whatever reason (fear? buying into the hype? lack of fortitude?) mail it in. That's why when BB leads 31-3 against these teams he continues to throw Brady because 45-3 might lead into the same shit the next week. I can't blame him but it still pisses me off.

    That is what I think Rex was referring to when he called out the rest of the league to beat the Pats besides the Jets. It was as if to say don't buy into the hype, come out and play them as if it were just another game or something and you might win.
     
  6. felker

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    Are you saying intimidation isn't part of pro football? Do you think opposing teams weren't crapping their pants when they had to play the '85 Bears? I saw opposing quarterbacks blowing their lunch on the field during those games. Including Eason in the Superbowl.
     
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    The guy drove helmet first into Woodhead from the blind side. If that had been a Jetwho got hit this place would light up with outrage.

    ...On the other hand, I thought the hit on Ocho (The one that actually got called), looked like a good clean hit.

    That is what makes calling this stuff so frustrating. It's so subjective.
     
  8. PatPatriot

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    There are no meaningless games or meaningless quarters. The Patriots' philosophy is to play 60 minutes of football. That means taking no plays off or tailoring the gameplan based on a lopsided score. At the higher levels of sports, if you don't want to keep being scored on then stop the other team.
     
  9. CJLang

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    Your special teams are your special teams. Before the game they decide who is on which unit. Woodhead is a situational RB, why wouldn't he take his position on the punt team?

    As far as all that running up the score bullshit, I want my team to score every time they have the ball.
     
  10. BrowningNagle

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    did you read what I said? I'm agreeing with you here. I do think intimidation is a factor, that plays a big factor in a majority of the Pats wins. I just don't think ALL teams are affected by it. I named some of those teams, Jets included, that when they see your team putting up high 30s and 40s, etc on the scoreboard dont give a s---t because its in the preseason or if not, it doesnt matter what they do week to week.

    I just feel that other teams could probably do what the Pats do to crappy teams but they don't they call off the dogs a little, rest their QB, run the football and coast to a 28-7 win or something instead of 45-7 for example. I recognize the Patriots have the best QB in the game, but they arent THAT much better than the rest of the league as a whole.How about in the 09 playoffs when the Ravens jumped out big on the Pats, they ran it out and coasted in the 2nd half, they could have kept slinging and beat the Pats 48-7 or something.

    It pisses me off as a Jets fan, when BB does such things but I understand why because it carries over against pussy teams. My post was criticizing these lame ass teams that let these games affect them, explaining why the Pats feel the need to do such things and what Rex's comments meant (a backhander to the Pats, but also trying to get the league to recognize they are good but not great.)

    But I do feel what comes around, goes around that's why I think its stupid to continue to pile it on like BB does,risking injury sometimes and they should recognize the consequences. That's why Deion Branch shouldnt CRY when the Jets celebrate on his field a month after they made a point to win 45-3 when they could have run out the clock and won 31-3, at which point it obviously didnt matter to the Jets they had already called it a wash.

    Also, BB better retire when Brady does or else hes going to feel the consequences against teams/owners that will remember their shenanigans. Unfortunately, BB will retire with Brady so he wont tarnish his legacy and be seen as "the greatest coach" instead of a good coach with the greatest QB which is the reality.
     
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    Exactly, you're at a high enough level that you better be able to stop it and if you can't then deal with it
     
  13. Johnny English

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    I'm sorry, I don't buy that. The Patriots are old hands at running up a bunch of points in the first half and then spending the remaining thirty minutes in full on prevent. No criticism of that (other than I don't like teams playing prevent and I think it can backfire), but don't tell me that the Pats are always a full on 100mph team.
     
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    And here's something that's annoying the tits off me this pre-season - if I have to listen to Gus Johnson yelling "AAAAAAHHHH HE CAUGHT IT! MIKE THAAA-MASS!!!!" much longer I'm going to go fucking postal.

    It wasn't even the best fucking touchdown of last season (that was Marshawn Lynch against New Orleans).
     
  15. James Calvin

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    Look at it again. The guy hit Woodhead straight on. Woodies head was turned following the the ball carrier.

    Who's fault is that?

    Helmet to helmet contact is only a fine or penalty in certain situations. A hit on the quarterback, a 'defenseless' receiver (as in the Ocho penalty), and if someone 'launches' their body' (leaves their feet) to hit someone with their helmet.

    The guys feet are on the ground when he hits Diminutive Danny.

    That is why no penally was called. That is why no fines are being discussed.
     
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    Here's a frame grab of Woodhead being hit on his blindside. if his blindside means the blocker is hitting him straight on. You can even see the blocker is between Danny's stubbly little legs.

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  17. felker

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    Intimidation is a factor in the NFL on multiple levels, not just team on team. It is not something new or original with the Patriots, other teams do it too, and have been doing it for years.

    There are always a number of games every year in the NFL that have 30+ point blowouts. San Diego did it to San Fran last year 41-10. Atlanta did it to Arizona 41-7. Oakland beat Denver 59-10. The Giants beat Seattle 41-7. Green Bay beat Dallas 45-7. Philadelphia beat down the Redskins 59-28.

    Where is outcry about these games?

    Last year New England blew out a total of 3 teams by more than 30 points, Buffalo, Miami, and the Jets. The total amount of scoring the Pats did in the 4th quarter of the games vs Buffalo and Miami was 3 points.

    Only against the Jets did the Patriots score more than a field goal in the fourth quarter. Since the Jets are a division rival to whom the Patriots had lost to earlier in the year and points are a tie breaker under certain circumstance those last 14 points were potentially meaningful.
     
  18. felker

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    There is also the Hines Ward rule.

    "The initial force of a blindside block can't be delivered by a helmet, forearm or shoulder to an opponent's head or neck. An illegal blindside block will bring a 15-yard penalty."
     
  19. James Calvin

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    Explain how standing between someone's legs and hitting them straight on is a blindside block. Because Woodhead wasn't watching where is was running?

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    That is why a 15-yard penalty was not called. That is why there is no discussion of any illegal hits or fines- except by pats homers.
     
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    Steelers went HAM on the Eagles last night...Philly's offense looks completely lost, but with good reason (injuries, holdouts). I wouldn't be surprised if they dropped a couple games at the beginning of the year before getting their shit together
     

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