Two more to consider that aren’t heavily on the first round radar right now. Fernando Mendoza (Indiana) isn’t really being talked about but he’s big with a very strong arm. He played at Cal and transferred to a good Indiana team so he should get a bit more coverage this year. 6’5”, 230 and a strong arm but a pitfall is that he doesn’t really run from what I’ve seen. That’s a net negative quality in the modern day game. Haynes King (Georgia Tech) might not have the greatest accuracy or touch to succeed at the next level but he’s got a big arm and he’s very fast. He’s more than fast too, he’s a talented runner in the open field. GT also should challenge to win the ACC this year so they’re going to get national coverage.
People would have set the stadium on fire. There was one universal consensus amongst Jet fans, it was that Josh Allen would be a bust. Majority would have taken Rosen over him.
You are correct. My top guy was Baker Mayfield. Then, Josh Rosen, then Sam Darnold. I thought Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson would bust. Guess what. Both Lamar and Josh won MVP's. Rosen, busted and Darnold and Mayfield are just average. Shows what a terrible QB evaluator I am actually.
Josh Allen wouldn't be HALF the QB he currently IS on the NY Jets. For those that can't see that they haven't been paying attention, well, since forever.
That’s whack to say though and diminishes the players personal investment in making sure he himself was successful. He didn’t exactly go to a franchise known as a QB factory. Josh Allen would’ve been successful where ever he went because he worked his ass off to get better at what he was bad at.
Ummm...no. To all of it. If you think Josh Allen just plays the position all by himself and 100% the reason he's as good as he is then you need to take a step back and re-think. I'm sure folks like Geno Smith and, most recently, Sam Darnold would have something to say to you about how the NY Jets bring QB's along. This organization has NEVER....EVER...drafted and delivered a QB that's amounted to shit while in a NY Jets uniform. That's just statistical fact. So, no, I'll go with all the facts vs. your opinion on whether or not a guy, like Josh Allen, would actually have been successful in this organization. I'd bet you a million dollars, I don't have, that Patrick Mahomes would have already flamed out in NY. Pat Mahomes, Baker Mayfield, Jalen Hurts, insert QB's name here. Why? Because it has been PROVEN over and over and over and over and over and over............ It's why I wish SO HARD that Fields pans out. I don't give a shit who we draft next year, this organization will kill that QB. The NY Jets are where QB's are drafted to die. Seriously?
Ok? The Jets can be a garbage franchise but if they were handed a generational talent that was destined to be great, he’d be great. See Burrow, Joe. See Allen, Josh. They both went to lifetime loser franchises and became instantly successful. Josh Allen had a huge problem with the hitch in his thrown. He recognized it. Went to west coast QB training programs in the offseasons and threw the ball thousands of times his first two seasons until he fixed it. He was going to be a star regardless of where he went. The Bills made the playoffs once in 20 years before he got there. That’s worse than our current garbage streak. Burrow? Meh. The Bengals are historically one of the worst and cheapest franchises in the entire league. He’s made them into a perennial SB contender by himself. Geno & Darnold are decent starting NFL QB’s but the Jets didn’t stop them from being Burrow & Allen. They stopped them from being first round exit QB’s. Your point is dumb. Generational talents become generational players regardless of where they go unless injuries or drugs are involved.
I like Mendoza. This is going to be a really deep QB draft class and hopefully we snag one with our pick in the early teens.
Josh Allen may have been great as a Jet, but saying he was instantly successful is false, and saying the Bills only made the playoffs once in 20 years before him is very deceptive. In his rookie year he was considerably worse than Sam, in his second year he was good but not great, and in his third year he became great. And the one time in those 20 years the Bills made the playoffs was literally the year before they drafted him.
Allen got his team to the playoffs in year two. That’s instant success in my eyes. The Bills were a trash franchise when he arrived regardless of them backing into a weak AFC playoff field in 2017. My response was to a poster that acted like he would’ve been a bad quarterback if he came to the Jets as if he went to a savant of a franchise that made him who he is. Look at the Bills success pre-Josh Allen and post Josh Allen and tell me if the franchise made him. How was Darnold “significantly” better in year one? Sam Darnold 13 games/13 starts (4-9) 2865 passing yards/138 rushing yards 18 total touchdowns (17 passing touchdowns/1 rushing) 16 turnovers (15 interceptions/1 fumble lost) Josh Allen 12 games/11 starts (5-6) 2074 passing yards/631 rushing yards 18 total touchdowns (10 passing touchdowns/8 dusning$ 14 total turnovers (12 interceptions/2 fumbles lost)
What the fuck are you talking about? Josh Allen is the closest thing to a one man show in the NFL as exists. He’s run for most first downs by a QB outside of Lamar Jackson since 2018. He’s second ALL TIME in rushing TDs by a quarterback. The offensive coordinator that allegedly “made” him in Daboll has went on to head coach one of the worst offenses in the NFL since he left. He’s succeeded with three coordinators in seven years. What “facts” are you bringing to the table? You’ve offered nothing but opinion while I just laid out a punch. Lay your facts out before claiming you’re backed by facts.
I seem to think I said the man wouldn't be jack or his good buddy squat on the NY Jets. Now, if you choose to disagree, great
Right now there is an unprecedented number of QB’s with 1st round potential. I’m not saying they all will be, but all of them have the potential to have a breakout season that places them with a first round grade. Nussmeier Manning Beck Allar Sellers Klubnik Mendoza Mateer Leavitt I personally like Sellers to be the man.
Buffalo had not developed a QB in 40 years. They had a defensive coordinator as HC and an OC that already failed in this league. Allen woulda been successful anywhere
Beck would be a disaster here. I like Sellers too. Allar is intriguing. I can’t get a good read on him. He’s either gonna be Drew Bledsoe/Joe Flacco, or he’s gonna be Zach Mettenberger/Ryan Mallett
Not to be too pedantic, but instant success means rookie year to me, and I'd imagine to most people as well. Daniels, Stroud, Herbert, etc. Allen doesn't fall into that category. Nor does he fall into the category of Year 2 breakout star like Mahomes or Jackson. Pre vs. post Allen, across all the years there's a big difference, but most of the pre-Allen years had nothing to do with the team that drafted him other than the laundry. Beane and McDermott were hired one year before Allen, and the Pegulas bought the team four years before Allen. What happened in the 2000s and the first part of the 2010s is irrelevant. Regarding 2018 Allen vs. Darnold, I should have clarified that I meant that Allen was significantly worse as a passer. Big picture, I'm not sure what would have happened if the Jets drafted Allen, and I don't think it's possible to be sure. He required a lot of improvement to get from where he was when he entered the NFL to where he is now. I'm confident he would have become a star on most teams, but the Jets may have really found a way to ruin him.
I’m not sure why we wash away two decades of failures because they hired yet another regime with a new owner? He didn’t go to Green Bay or San Francisco or land somewhere Andy Reid was coaching. McDermott was a first time defensive head coach working with a failed offensive coordinator. Daboll’s points for his previous 5 years as an offensive coordinator were 29th, 31st, 20th, 32nd, and 30th. We can argue semantics all we want, but to think Allen wouldn’t have been successful regardless of where he went is ignorant and takes away from him as a player. He’s a lot larger part as to why the Bills have dominated the East the last half decade than the Bills were in “making him successful.”
