Exactly. He's done nothing so far in his career to earn the support of the fans here. For being a supposed "quarterback whisperer" he's done shockingly little of the sort, with really only a single season of Jay Cutler cutting back on his INT total to hang his cap on. He did a poor job in his first outing as a head coach and hasn't done much of note when he wasn't coaching one of the greatest QBs of all time. And for the criticism of Mike McCarthy only winning one Super Bowl with one of the greatest QBs of all-time, Gase couldn't even accomplish that with Manning.
While I fully agree with U that we are stuck with the Johnson for as long as they want to own the team. But there FU attitude towards us fans means every NYJ fan should take heed of just like there giving Bowles 2 more years when fans ere clamoring for his axing. IMHO with Gase hiring the NYJs owners have done NYJ fans just another disservice to go with all the others since they took over ownership of the team.
The thing that I don't understand is the seeming hatred for Gase. The only thing he has done to earn the support of fans is that he is the current HC of the Jets - just like any other choice. What Gase has done in the past at Denver, Chicago, and Miami should have no bearing on how you support him as coach of the Jets. Assuming you're still a Jet fan then you should root for him to be successful, just like you would for McCarthy or any other candidate. If you want to stop being a fan of the Jets, that's fine too. A point in Gase's favor is that Manning had some of his best years in Denver at age 36-38 (after surgery) which is not typical of a QB. Also, Denver was #1 or #2 in points scored in Gase's years. Additionally, Cutler had his best year under Gase. Does he deserve all the credit? Who knows? Was Gase stellar in Miami? No, (although many have talked like he was a complete failure like Hue Jackson) he was the definition of average. However, no available HC would be stellar in his previous stint or he wouldn't be available. Gase wasn't a perfect HC candidate. News flash - there never is. However, IMHO based on the Jets situation I see their logic in the process and decision making. They didn't make a rash decision nor did they waste too much time. They looked at multiple candidates (unlike what they did with Kotite) and they chose a guy from the offensive side that had previous NFL HC experience. Since they decided on Gase rather than McCarthy (who also had warts, but was the only other candidate to fit the criteria) the forum went postal in epic fashion.
It doesn't matter who the Johnson's picked because there will always be a contingent of fans that will be pissed off over their choice.
Oh I cannot await Gases axing so that I can bump up this thread & see what U say then Now let me ask U a opinion in MHO Gase will never/ever get us to the SB so do you agree with that staement? If U donot what do you see in his resume that brings U to your opinion that he will be a SB winning coach
Had Gase been the one that actually developed Manning from the beginning (or near beginning) of his career like McCarthy had with Rodgers, then I'd be willing to give him credit for Manning's performance, but that's not the case. Although coming off an injury, Peyton Manning was already a sure-fire, first-ballot Hall of Famer when he got to Gase in Denver. Jay Cutler had a good year under him in Chicago, but looking at his stats, it's not as though Gase "fixed" him in the way that many want to believe that he did. He had comparable years to the one he had under Gase before. Not much needs to be said about the stellar work he did for the QBs in Detroit and San Franscisco when he was there. I would argue that what he has done, or not done, in the past should have bearing on how he's supported as Jets coach. He hasn't done anything to earn himself a second head coaching stint in this league, and he barely did anything to earn his first stop in Miami. The fact of the matter is that Chris Johnson and Macc botched this search, just like we knew that they would.
If you knew anything about gase and Manning’s relationship, Manning’s extreme pickiness over his OC, and how Gase formulated plans to maximize Manning id take this post seriously. However it’s clear you don’t.
I never said Gase was my first choice. Nor did I ever say that Gase was a better choice than McCarthy (like I believe Biggs has alluded to). I would have liked to have seen a slightly better record in Miami, but I realize that no candidate is perfect and most fail. I just think it's funny how the board went into a "virtual meltdown" upon Gase's hire when he actually checked many of the boxes that people were looking for. IMHO they acted like he was a total disaster there - not 23-25 (having the starting QB out for half the games) with a playoff appearance. I also find it funny that you "cannot await" for the Jets future failure. That's not why I am a Jet fan nor a member of this forum. Do I think the Jets will win the SB in four years? If I had to bet even money - probably not. However, unless I am a current fan of about 5-10 teams the honest answer would be the same. The answer would also be the same if the Jets hired McCarthy. If Gase can groom Darnold and the Jets get more offensive line and skill position people and Williams (if he is hired) can get the defense to where it should be given the resources then I think the Jets can be competitive going forward. Beyond than that, I make no prediction. However, I don't think that anybody who predicts "failure" and is then proven right has any special powers. The fact that most teams don't win the SB under a particular coach should be obvious.
Big thing for me. We have 2 blue chip players, one on each side of the ball which is a good start. However, we have gone through 4 years where the coaches have not coached the talent up. This is where the jets (whoever is HC) and their coaching staff need to do a better job. I can guarantee with better coaching Mac's success rate would be better than it curently is. (Impossible to say by how much though) Sent from my SM-G610Y using Tapatalk
I understand your point about QB career timeframes, but just to respond to your last paragraph, why would Gase's past make you change your "support" for him? I am assuming that "support" means whether you are rooting for him to be successful and your general opinion of his job as head coach of the Jets. Why does what happened with Gase in Miami affect that? If the Jets finish 8-8 next year with Gase next year any worse than if they finish 8-8 under McCarthy? Personally, I will root just the same and criticize whatever coaching issues I see the same whether it's Gase, McCarthy, etc.
I think your brain cannot understand that besides me there are lots of NYJ fans who feel he is incapable just like Bowels was
Sorry Sorry I a NYJ fan that is not a hoper but rather prove U deserve to be the NYJ HC which based on his works up to now does not qualify to compete with who BTW is the HC of another team in our division who teams goes by NEPs
Champ, I understand exactly what you and many people on this board feel. You're not too difficult to figure out.
You make a good case for Gase and some could say it was a bold and daring move. However, how can anyone question a long time Jet fan, who endured years of disappointment and bad choices, for going ballistic over this selection, especially when it appeared that McCarthy was eager for the job. Especially on a fan forum, LOL
Supporting someone just because they hold a title, is dumb. IMO If it doesnt make sense, then why do we keep doing it? It's the SOJ mentality, it doesnt go away because we as fans keep giving these moronic owners, chance after chance, and it's the same BS year after year. I'm aware, we as fans are limited to this bullshit, but things have to change at some point because its complete horseshit for fans like us, paying money every year for a product that is well under par of expectation. The product isnt supposed to control the consumer, it's supposed to be the other way around. If the consumer decides the product is shit, the product typically doesn't sell. Unfortunately this is one of the exceptions to the rule when it comes to the NYJ and sports in general. Typically most of these teams have competent ownership and find ways to get back on track.. Not the Jets though... Nope. We turn around and get the equivalent of the person we just fired, only major difference I see is that he "specialized" on the opposite side of the ball from our former HC. Bravo.. Bravo. Tired of being a culpable fan.
You know it's not that simple. If he wins he stays and if he loses he goes. No in Jets land if you lose consistently you get a two year contract extension.
I am a fan of the Jets as well and have seen 45+ years of mostly losing seasons. I just happen to understand that at the moment the realistic chances are that the Jets are likely not going to win the SB under Gase because the Jets talent level is average (at best) and for the additional reason that most coaches don't win the SB. Perhaps after watching who the Jets pickup and how the Jets play next year my opinion of their chances will change. However, my opinion of Gase and my support of his tenure (not that he needs it) and whether the Jets should fire him at some time in the future will be based solely on his Jets performance as the Jets HC and not Gase's previous stints. The notion that Gase has to prove his hiring to some internet folks by winning more games than other candidates is "charming".
I am fine with questioning this move. I have said that Gase would not have been my #1 choice. I didn't bemoan the fact that people who were against it. In fact, I probably would have been fine with McCarthy. I just thought that the amount of haranguing was comical and somewhat over the top. That's all.
If you want to stop being a fan of the Jets more power to you. Changing fandom these days is easy. Nobody is stopping you. If you want to stop going to the games, watching them on your local station, or cancel your NFL Sunday Ticket that's fine too. However, if you still want to be a fan of the Jets then you might as well root for them to win until the point that you are convinced that the coach sucks for the Jets and there is a viable available candidate that fits your mold for a successful head coach. That might come after one year, two years, whatever. However, to me it doesn't make sense to judge Gase on anything but his Jets tenure. That's my point.
