Bad O Line play - Poor Talent and poor scheme

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  1. ColoradoContrails

    ColoradoContrails Well-Known Member

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    And wouldn't this be on Gase to be adapting to this?
     
  2. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    yeah I dind't get why we didn't do that. garret is a hard person to block but he's not great against the run. throw beachum there with TE help and push him outside and let bell run between the tackles it's make garret slow down outside in fear of being beat inside and losing his gap
     
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  3. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    Right from the OP, a better QB would have audible out to a run. shift the TE to be a FB and lead blocker, leave the safety outside unaccounted for, he's too far out to make a play. both LT and LG have inside position to shield their men outside and the TE lead blocks the LBer and bell isn't touched for at least 5 yards and could easily have broken the tackle from 58 and made a huge run. worse case we pick up at least 5 though but with bell could have been a huge run.

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  4. chandler

    chandler Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't have complained if he had

    I'm just not willing to throw Gase under the bus just yet. Myles gives a lot of people problems
     
  5. chandler

    chandler Well-Known Member

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    i thought i saw a couple of plays where the idea seemed to be for TE to help but they just muffed it. It's way early in the season with a lot of new schemes. (Yes I'm disappointed)
     
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  6. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    IDK why we haven't seen wesco more since we drafted him to be a blocking TE. instead it's been all ryan griffin who is medicore as a catcher and blocker and was waived by houston for that reason. I mean he's good enough to be on a roster but not good enough to be a starter. can't wait for herndon to come back but I want to see more herndon and wesco sets, especially with the lack of WRs right now. Also some more 2 back sets where we can split bell and/or ty out wide. both can play WR. No idea why we aren't using bell more that way. come out with a 2 back 2 TE set in tight formation and 1 WR out wide. then motion bell into the slot and get him 1v1 with a LBer and you have extra blockers and ty in the backfield for the run threat and bell with a mismatch. you can also use herndon as a slip out safety net in the flat after he blocks
     
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  7. chandler

    chandler Well-Known Member

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    i agree re the two back sets. I thought they would have a lot of fun doing that. they're both so versatile

    I have no idea what's going on with Griffin versus Wesco, but hope that will be moot soon enough with Herndon's return
     
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  8. Quinnenthebeast

    Quinnenthebeast Well-Known Member

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    Amazing post! You're right about the "Jets player" point and this is something that has rarely been brought up. We have been aimlessly acquiring talent with no sense of direction and I think that is probably our biggest problem. We had a little of that going on with Rex with his "Play Like a Jet" thing, but its different than using a blueprint when it comes to team building. Joe Douglas at least has mentioned that he prefers guys who love football over pure talent, but I think he needs to be way more specific than that. Assuming Gase doesn't get fired after this year, him and Douglas need to codify the particulars of what a Jets player looks like and go after those guys.
     
  9. Falco21

    Falco21 Well-Known Member

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    So you're saying that a third string QB is not making adjustments at the line of scrimmage?

    But Gase!

    :rolleyes:
     
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  10. jetophile

    jetophile Bruce Coslet's Daughter

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    It's like fuckn 'Nam in there. There's so much dreck that I'm not even sure what dreck I posted in all that dreck. Talk about flotsam and jetsam. Jetsam, heh. Anyway, I haven't seen it this bad since Get Ty Law, Get Reggie Bush, and Get Matt Leinart. There was also Matt Lienhard, Matt Lineart, and Matt Lionheart. I wonder what happened to those guys!

    Oh, and Mo Carlett Was the Steal of the Draft.
     
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  11. jetophile

    jetophile Bruce Coslet's Daughter

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    This isn't the worst Jets team ever by any stretch, but it's definitely a part of the general Jets collective of the historical quagmire of shit. Has anyone mentioned that our OL is fucking terrible? No? Oh, wait, I've somehow oriented myself and I'm in the right place. Not so much here, but I've seen complaints about D'Brickashaw Ferguson being too small to the point of ridiculous bashing and Mangold being too slow. Only now are most - including here, though - becoming truly appreciative about how spoiled we've been over the years with the Center position alone. Joe Fields, Jim Sweeney, Mawae and Mangold. That's right, Mangold, I said it and I'm glad.

    At this point I'm ready to call Randy Rasmussen on my own time and ask him if he's busy, what the frig. I'm gonna chalk up the current state of the o-line to the sins of the father because how can this be ignored for so many consecutive years? It's pathetic.

    At first I laughed when it came out about Shoe Booty's mono, laughed because you can't make it up. I'm not laughing now. On any level. I'm thankful for small miracles. Get well soon, Sam! But not too soon if you know what's good for ya. Hell, I'll even forge a doctor's note for him, no problem. "Sam cannot play today because he has been bitten by a Tsetse Fly. Signed, Dr. jeto."

    EDITED because my idiot phone autocorrected to Teste Fly. There's something really funny about that but I'm not sure what. Franks and beans in 'There's Something About Mary'? Probably that.
     
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  12. Andy_M

    Andy_M Well-Known Member

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    Wait......I thought that was Bellichick......I'm so confused.....
     
  13. Andy_M

    Andy_M Well-Known Member

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    Ummmm.....that would be affirmative.
     
  14. Falco21

    Falco21 Well-Known Member

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    No man. A fish rots from the head down.

    It's all Gase.
     
  15. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    if you only have 1 wide receiver in the game and you split Le'Veon Bell out wide, he is not getting covered by a linebacker. They will put a corner or safety on him
     
  16. GasedAndConfused

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    probably but don't forget with 1 WR they only have 2 CBs. 1 will be on the WR assuming it's not zone. if the other goes to bell (which isn't always a given, most of the time the corners will stay wide so the other will be on a TE) and a safety/LBer picks up bell. you also have ty, wesco, and griffen (and one of them will be replaced with herndon) so by default someone is going to get a favorable matchup. even if it's ty on a LBer. Not to mention if they play zone LBers can't cover the ground of a DB and bell can easily find a soft spot and turn a 3 yard pass to a big gain. anything we do is better then run up the middle, sacked, 2 yard pass punt
     
  17. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    says who? there are no rules like that. Defenses can lineup however they want. They see only 1 wideout in the game, they will know full well what the Jets are trying to do with Le'Veon Bell. They won't have to stack the box anyway since he will be out wide. and its not like that power running game scares anyone

    if you want to get a matchup with Bell or Montgomery on a LB, you have to have 3 WRs on the field, or at least 2 and Herndon IMO
     
  18. GasedAndConfused

    GasedAndConfused Well-Known Member

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    they can but if they go CB heavy the QB can audible out and pull bell back into the backfield and hand it off.

    Also of playcalls is guessing, but it's on the QB to make adjustments at the line. that's why it's important to have a smart QB and get the plays in early so there is time to adjust.
     
  19. Swe-Jet

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    What do you guys think of Frank Pollack? Is he to blame for the bad OL play?
    When he was the OL coach in Dallas they had probably the best o-line in the NFL so I figured he would get our o-line back on track.
    So far he has done anything but...
     
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  20. TonyFtLaud

    TonyFtLaud Well-Known Member

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    We're rarely using the TE to block right now, no max protect calls at all.
    Bell isn't being utilized well . The only TD we have is when he was split out wide and caught the TD vs the Bills. Montgomery only has a handful of touches , under 10 I'd bet with out looking up his stats. Opposing Defenses aren't even stacking the box against us right now. Scheme has been terrible.
     

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