Sooo...you don't care that your argument completely lacks any foundation and is based entirely on your own perception? Wow...you must be INFALLIBLE!
Then you're being an Eli Homer. 'Cause the numbers show that Sanchez and Eli are very comparable to each other. Remember....you said the 3RD YEAR and that's what I put up. If you say you don't care what the stats say, then you're an Eli Fan, not a Mark Sanchez fan. Are you even a JETS fan, though?
This from the guy that just said football is a team sport. Let me ask you this, why was Sanchez running in the end zone? I imagine someone from the other team was CHASING him. How'd THAT happen? Oh...probably because the OL can't pass protect. And fumbles...again, did Sanchez just drop the ball without being hit? No, I don't think so. Can he do a better job of protecting the ball? Absolutely. Is it UNFORCED, NO... it never is UNFORCED. This ain't tennis.
I have seen this sort of analysis made several times by Sanchez Fans. One problem with looking at Sanchez's stats this past year is that his performance got worse, not better, as the season ended. That is not reflected in season long stats, but is a real concern. In other words when the season and playoffs were on the line, Sanchez totally crapped the bed. Second, you leave out fumbles, which also are not part of the Qb rating. Third, comparisions to Eli Manning just by comparing stat lines leaves out far too much. In Manning's third year, 2006, Amani Toomer was the Giants' best or second best receiver, and he went down with injuries somewhere around the fifth game or so. LT Pettigout went down with a broken leg, gone for the season, during the Chicago game. And Manning's play suffered as a result. Even so his season was up and down after that, and relating to the first point above, he had some good games toward the end of the season, and played well in the Giants' playoff game. Fourth, a comparison of stat lines leaves out that even though it has been only five years since 2006, the rules changes have led to a substantial increase in passing this past season. Better than comparing stat lines side by side, how did Manning do compared to other Qb's in 2006? He was 18th. Sanchez is ranked 23rd for 2011. And of course the Qb rating does not include fumbles, as imo it should. In short a fair analysis shows that Sanchez's performance in his third year was not as good as Eli Manning's in his third year.
Did you even watch the Jets this year? At what point was their offense not completely inconsistent? When we were 2-5? Yeah they were humming along then. And where's your breakdown of Sanchez's performance game to game? Oh right. You don't like statistics. So, now your willing to blame the players around Eli but not the players around Sanchez. Wow dude...hypocritical much? I seem to recall losing several players this year including our all-pro center for several games. Didn't take that into account did you? Rules changes? What rules changes? You do realize passing is up this year right? Again...those damn statistics. Didn't see Drew Brees breaking Marinos passing record did you? Football...it's a great game. You should watch it sometime. And I'm pretty sure Eli fumbled a few times too. For instance, in 2007 he fumbled 13 times and lost 7. Ouch...them damn stats again. [/QUOTE] In short, you're clearly incapable of making a fair analysis.
If a Qb is being chased, he has other choices than running into the end zone, throwing an interception or fumbling the ball. Stick around. You will learn about the game of football.
Rules changes include changes to protect the Qb more from pass rushers, but the larger point is one you made yourself, and that is that passing in fact was up. That is why I was correct in saying it is not enough to merely put Eli's stat line from five years ago next to Sanchez's from this past year. Duh. And don't think I will waste my time responding to your every lame post. I prefer to talk more to people who know more about the game than you do.
You want to hear something else that's funny? Since Sanchez came into the league he has lost 17 fumbles. Guess how many Eli lost in the same time frame? SEVENTEEN (17)! Nice argument.
More about the game than I do? I think I've already shown how much more than you I know. You've also shown that you don't actually READ my posts or you would know that my stats comparisons for Eli and Sanchez are for the same time frame. But you go ahead. Maybe someone else can teach you a lesson too.
gonna chime in here a bit..... regarding boomer - agree that he needs to be a bit careful about the criticism. aside from 1 or 2 very good seasons with the bengals he was very inconsistent and NOT a top flight QB. regarding the pooch of choice - at least he didn't pick a mexican hairless. regarding eli/ms - the early year stats are very similar BUT even when eli came in he could make the basic NFL type throws without it looking like a chore. yes he was inconsistent and made questionable decisions but he could and attempted to make all the throws. imo thats a huge difference and is what has catapulted eli into the upper echelon of QB's. ok not quite the level of brees, rodgers, manning, or brady but right behind them. until sanchez can throw the 15-20yd outs and deep ins with consistency and accuracy he will never get to that level. now thats not necessarily a bad thing if the team is good enough to over come that.
Ranking is a better comparison across years than totals since the league average fluctuates. QB Rating Eli- 18th Sanchez-23rd Completion% Eli- 21st Sanchez- 27th YPG Eli- 16th Sanchez-22nd YPA Eli-27th Sanchez-26th TDs Eli- 4th Sanchez- 9th INT Eli- 4th most Sanchez-5th most. So comparative to his peers Eli was less awful than Sanchez his 3rd year, though both were at best below average.
Funny you mention Brady, as I was thinking the same thing. The word on Brady is that if you hit him, he unravels somewhat. That can be said about basically any QB to ever play the game. I was not happy with Sanchez, or the Jets the last 3 games, but damn, he was getting his ass kicked way too much. Anyone would be gun shy if they were getting hit as often as he was. IMO, if we fix RT, add some depth on the OL, Sanchez will look alot better next year.
I'm not denying that. But he did do pretty well when he was in the playoffs, though. And don't call me a Sanchez fan. Notice my name? Okay.. Sanchez : 10 Fumbles/ 8 of them lost Eli : 9 Fumbles / 2 of them lost So both QBs fumbled the ball just about an equal number of times in their 3rd year(which is the whole point of my reply to that guy). Fumble-loss-and-recovery can't really be accurately predicted because of the unpredictability of where the ball is, where it bounces, and who is fortunate enough to be near it and recover the ball. A "fair" analysis? The only thing we have to go on are their STATS and they clearly show that in their 3rd years(MARK SANCHEZ has, at least, been about even with Eli in performance). Look....This other guy said that Eli did way better IN HIS 3RD YEAR than Sanchez. I brought up the stats, he says he didn't care about the Stats 'cause he thinks Eli did better than Sanchez. So I call him an Eli Homer(which he is) and you come in saying this an that while forgetting that while Stats don't tell the whole story, they do tell a whole lot then some fan here in the forum stating how there's "no comparison" with Mark's 3rd Year and Eli's third year. Give me a break....
Braylon, Actually there is an analysis that suggests that fumbles lost is a factor that can be laid on the fumbler. But that is too complicated and a digression to discuss right here. By "fair analysis" I think it obvious that Eli's 2006 season was greatly affected by the losses of Toomer and Pettigout. Losing your starting left tackle and having a scrub replace him will adversely and significantly affect any Qb, and Toomer was similarly replaced by a scrub. Sanchez has had no equivalent situation this year. Now of course when Baxter replaced Mangold, that was awful, but it was not a situation, as for Eli in 06, that went on for many games. I also think you misunderstood me about that end of the season thing. I meant this year, not all three years, Sanchez looked like crap to end the season. That should concern all Jet fans, imo. It's directly relevant to not only whether he is progressing (he is not) but also to his prior rep (now seeming quite shaky) that he gets better when the games are on the line. Not this year he wasn't.
The thing is, do we ever see these routes being run? We don't have game film so we cannot tell if the routes are run lazily, if Sanchez missed open receivers on these routes, if the routes are even called, if there is enough time to throw, or if defenders are waiting on them since we never throw deep. I don't think I remember the outs being run at all. Most of routes actually take place within 15 yards of the line of scrimmage it feels.
So, replacing Damien Woody with Hunter and replacing Braylon with Plax (a 34 year old parollee who hasn't played in 2 years), AND having no off-season to work with either, is NOT a comparable situation to you? How about when you throw in Mangold's missed games and the loss of your top backup OLineman, Turner? How's that? No? How about your slot receiver, Mason, gets dropped midway through for basically playing like a 37 year old? Again, why does Eli get the "it was everyone around him" treatment, but Sanchez isn't entitled to the same deference?
The Jets OL was considered the best in the NFL a year ago...do you really think we went from that to a line that can't protect or did Sanchez become Mr Happy Feet and totally unable to pick out a receiver even when he had all day? I don't believe our line went to shit in a year (although I do think run blocking suffered without Woody).
