Yes, I will still be OK in week 12. I just pray Chad is still taking the field at that time. Pass protection has clearly improved this year. That helps. I think as our line starts to gel a bit more this year the running game will perk up. I think we will still see some big things out of Barlow, Houston, Smith, and Washington as the year progresses. I wish we could find the answer to stopping the run. That is the multi-million dollar question right now. Really tough answer. I am sure the coaches are mega-challenged by this one because they have to feel that we are really close to being a potential playoff contender. I am not sold on issuing them a berth just yet - not this year, but as a fan I sure am going to root for them to make it. At least it is fun being a Jets fan again. I wasn't sure if I was going to be able to say that anytime soon.:smile:
I agree with you typeo...This isn't a moral victory. We really should have won that game. I'm happy that Mangini had us ready to play and in the game right up to the very end. But we should have come up with a pass rush and a stop on one of those two last Colt drives.
Yeah,these guys have played football before. If the guy drives for 50 yards,maybe try something else if what your doing on D isn't working,like maybe a rush? I am pleased big time with where we are so far this season,and this game will be a memory by 415 next Sunday,but this one felt like the 04 loss in Pittsburgh.
This team is actually doing okay in TOP. We rank 14th through 4 games which is good for us, especially considering we can't run the ball.
Kareem Mckenzie, Brandon Morre, Adrian Jones, marko cavka, josh Evans, Dewayne robertson, Jonathon goodwin, Pete Kendall, James reed, Larry Webster(he got hurt), sione Pouha(hurt). They kept the Ol very good until last year when coincidentally ONE Ol started the year and ended the yar in the same position. as for the D, we have almost the exact same D as 2 years ago in the playoffs. The only difference is Jason Ferguson, Reggie Tongue and Donnie Abe are out and Kerry Rhodes and Miller/Dyson are in. Negative on Ferg but positives on the other 2.
2 years ago we had Ferguson and Abe for most of the year. We also had a really crappy outside LB named Mark Brown. Brown as crappy as he was beat out Hobson. The fact is take Ferguson and Abe off of our line and Robertson is showing that he is a complete JAG. Now it could be that Robertsons knee doesn't allow him to run and stay in shape? That may be the reason he can show flashes but for the most part takes plays off and gets pushed? The fact is he has deteriorated dramatically from 2 years ago and I suspect it's a combination of his knee and haveing a solid DT next to him.
Where was Abe when we needed him most? as usual on the sidelines, I'm talking about he D that ended the year. I think he took over after hobson was hobbled and while Brown started hobson and Brown shred time. If you think brown was so bad then that's another reason showing why we have more talent now than that D. Robertson made Ferg ALOT of money, his constant double teams gave Ferg room to make plays.
He said top flight OL/DL Junc. Not every one they brought in. OUt of those listed the only top flight Linemen in that list is McKenzie.
There aren't many top flight OL/DL in the league. They brought in 4 starters including Mckenzie, Moore and Kendall. That's pretty good and on D they brought in Josh Evans and Dewyane. Evans was great for us before he had a drug relapse and Dewayne was great for us in 2004. he was hurt most of last year.
If the suggestion is that kicking in that 4th down situation next time would show growth of the coaching staff, I'm jumping off that bus. This game plan was all about being aggressive. It's the same one that the Patriots, Chargers, and Steelers have all used in the last two years to beat the Colts: you get a lead, and force Peyton to do nothing but pass, and he'll fold. Eventually, in ALL of those games-past, he's pulled it back together, but, as the game plan goes, you try to be up by enough points that he runs out of time. We were about 90 seconds too fast with our final points. But, the thing of it is, I think you'd see the EXACT same call (maybe not that play) next time. As much as I hate to admit it, the best comment I've heard about the game (and, specifically, the 4th down attempt) came from that fat, bus-riding, $%#!, John Madden. It was Madden's point that you can blame Mangini for being too aggressive on that 4th down play, but you'd also have to give him props for the same brand of gambling that got us the ball on an onside kick, and led to seven points. Not a bad way to look at it, I think. You play to win the game. Hello! Don't stop drinking the Kool Aid. Until this year, we were always the dog chasing the car. Now, we're riding in the car. But, we can always get thrown back out of the car and get hit by another car crossing traffic. You see, it's like those horses in Central Park, they have those blinders. No peripheral vision at all. We don't see the cars to the left or the right. We just see the buggy. It's dark. We shouldn't worry about the light. It could be a train, or it could be a flashlight. Trust what I'm telling you: It's not a train.
there's being aggressive ans there's being stupid, on that 4th down call we were being stupid. if you want to be aggressive then don't run 3 straight times on 1st-3rd down. They had 3 chances to score and didn't even take a shot at the EZ then on 4th down being "aggressive" they bring in the jumbo package and put our playmakers on the sidelines. That was as bad a decision I have ever seen made by a HC. None of them went for it on 4th and G from the 3. Against Indy 2 yars ago in the playoffs Ne went for it on 4th and 1 at the Indy 1 but got a false start penalty- they didn't go for it on 4th and G from the 6 they took the FG. Last year SD went for it on 4th and 3 but at the Indy 35, that's a smart move b/c it's a 53 yd FG attempt and if you punt and it goes in the EZ it's only a 15 yd net. Later They had a 4th and G at the Indy 2 later in the game and they kicked the FG. In the Pitt game they went for it on 4th and 1's. Going for it on 4th and G from the 3 tied late in the 3rd qtr was idiotic. the 2 have nothing to do w/ each other. the OS kick was early in the game and a sound risk. The goal was to catch indy napping and we did, now we are tied late in the 3rd and w/ a very short field have a 4th and G from 3. The situations are totally different. :grin:
I wasn't talking about specific 4th down calls - and I still can't believe you remember all those - as much as I was talking about the general game plan. They all beat the Colts by keeping the ball out of Peyton's hands with sustained drives, and making him play catch-up. In Mangini's mind, going up by three against the Colts means that you'll soon be down by four. Different situations, for sure, but its the Belichick mindset playing Peyton Manning. You can't go tit-for-tat with the guy; you'll lose every time. You need touchdowns and turnovers to get 14 points ahead of the guy. The kick HAD to be the result of seeing something on tape that they thought would work, and it was the equivalent of forcing a turnover. Look, I agree that it was a risky thing to do. I don't question going for it on 4th down. I question the play calling in that whole series, and particularly the 4th down play.
isn't it better to be down 4 then if you don't make it and they score a Td being down 7? he has to have confidence in his O to score. If we kick the FG and Indy scores a Td we are down 4 then our O scores and we are up 3 again. The problem is the were "agressive" by going for it but 3 runs and a play action pass from the jumbo formation weren't agressive play calls.
nyjunc Can't wait to see how the Jags view our next KOs. It might lead to some interesting field position.
What I think a lot of people who are more "disqusted" with the loss than happy about a close game are concerned about is the defense - not about Mangini's decision. And they are right to be extremely disappointed in this unit. If the second half defensive collapse would have been a one-time thing you could just chalk it up to Manning. However, this has been going on for four games now. And Manning has exactly 2-3 throws that could be characterized as "special". All of the other throws were "average" throws to wide open recievers. The defense should be playing better. Sure they are in a new system, but they aren't playing any rookies out there. To classify Sutton as a rookie is a little ingenuous. He's been coaching for at least 20-30 years and has been a head coach before (albeit in college). The reason why there were such dire predictions in the off-season were because of a perceived lack of O talent. However, the defense has noone but thereselves to blame this year. If they are tiring it's because they haven't made the plays to get off the field. Simply put the defense hasn't come close to rising to the occasion this year. The fact that they were underdogs when the game started shouldn't mean that much in the fourth quarter IMHO.
I know that there are no moral victories. Of course there are. That is macho-********. In the NFL teams do not go 16-0. Hardly ever do teams go 15-1 (twice in 10 years). Only one per year loses only two or three. SO--for the most part a good record in the NFL -- as you know is 11 or 12 -- and 10 is USUALLY enough. For a team like the JETS to play really well against an elite (if not over-rated) team is a moral victory -- as long as they show they can consistently beat the non elite teams. If they lose 11 games all in the last drive of the game -- that shows they are just a bad team. But if they win 10 and lose 6 close games -- the 6 losses made them better.
Yes, of course. But part of the equation also has to be that they weren't anticipating an interception, and figured - worst case - the Colts would have 97 yards to travel. In any case, I can't defend the play calling.
you always have to take into consideration worst case scenario and weigh that towards your decision. The INT made a bad decision even worse. oh well, let's move on to next week where the task gets even tougher on the road at Jax.
How young do you think the Jets are? Seriously, how young are the jets? Our O line has 2 rookies, and some vets. The RB's? 2 guys that have been in the league 5+ years, and a rookiw, and a 2nd year pro. Our recievers? 4 guys that have played at least 5+ seasons, 1 3rd year, 1 rookie. Our D line? Kimo has been in the league a while, as has Ellis. Robertson is in his 4th year. Our LBs? Barton has 5+ years, Hobson is 5+. Vilma is the youngest of our starters. Our DB's? Millers the youngest one there, but Barrett and Dyson have been playing 5+ years. The safeties are the youngest position we have starters at. Kerry is in year 2, and Coleman is in year 3. Straits a 4th year pro if IIRC. We are far from a rookie machine people. This team is not as young as a team that you should thinkj a collapse is a moral victory, or that we hung in the game as long as we did. There are more than enough Veterans on this squad that know what playing NFL football is, how it's done, and what is necessary. Sory, but I don't grant them that 'their still too young' exception.
