Cimini vid: Players privately say they are being outschemed.

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  1. championjets69

    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    Yep it certainly seems that newspaper sought of jumped the gun. Cimini's reports concerns hard interviews he had with players maes it totally different then your example but thanks for the history. If Cimini published misinformation as it appears some think he did in that article then his employers would axe him which puts his job in jeopardy. Surely you understand that.
     
  2. championjets69

    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    Thanks for your most biased comments on Cimini they added a whole lot to the discussion
     
  3. Section 227. Row 5

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    Champ, you may not have access to SNY or other local TV stations that regularly conduct player interviews, but I do, and I watch them.

    To a man and without exception, in ALL the interviews I've watched closely, none of the players even come close to mentioning being outcoached or out schemed. None of them... not a hint.

    Of course, you're going to say that's because they're afraid to speak up, but I am not seeing one iota of a hint of any ot them going there. They usually all have VERY positive comments (including Favre ... even when asked about the passing attempts against lousy run defense... and here's a guy who would tell it like it is because he has nothing to lose.. but he defended the decision)... not one man talking about anything other than they executed poorly and need to find a way to turn that around.

    Look up interviews with current team leaders... the guys that are going to the Pro Bowl, for example. Leon Washington, Revis, Jenkins, Faneca, etc. - all to a man, they don't even come close to going there.

    This is why I say Cimini's off-handed comments are bullshit. Bullshit designed to make him look like the scoop-getter he imagines himself to be but indeed falls whoafuly short.

    Now, if Dave Hutchinson had reported that, it might have some credence with me, because Hutch has probably been the most reliable lately in terms of truthfullness and accuracy.

    Funny, but Hutch has not reported this. I wonder why?
     
  4. KSJets

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    Whereas yours add OH SO MUCH? Please.

    This is just another negative article, written by one reporter that you're going to latch onto as gospel as being correct.

    I don't believe everything I read, because most of it is made up bullshit. You, on the other hand, would believe an article saying the sky is green if it suits your argument.

    Like the poster above, if this had come from a more credible reporter, it might have more substance. But it's Cimini. Cimini has been bitter towards Mangini from the very beginning, constantly whining about the lack of information being given out. He takes players comments out of context all the time, just to try to write a controversial article.

    I go to sites that link to all teams' articles, like www.theredzone.org, and I can tell Cimini's articles just by the headlines, because they are ALWAYS negative sounding.

    He's great at reporting facts based on stats, but when it comes to his opinion about anything Jets' related, I always take his opinions with a grain of salt, because they're usually just him being bitter about something.
     
  5. Jetzz

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    Offensively I am finding this to be very true. There is a problem with our scheme at some level, especially when Favre continues to look like Pennington of last year. That isn't to say that some better execution isn't also an issue... defensively I think they need to make tackles.
     
  6. abyzmul

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    Anonymous quotes cannot be debunked, because no names are named. Surely you understand that.
     
  7. KSJets

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    Most rational people would understand that :wink:
     
  8. Section 227. Row 5

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    I knew that would draw comment.
     
  9. kennyo07

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    Dont forget the NE game that constantly had Barton as the spy on Cassel who would either run or toss it out in the flat to Green-Ellis or Faulk for big games when the pocket collapsed.

    Barton was way to slow to cover a RB and Cassel could also burn him. Mangini made no adjustment at all, where the hell is Ray Mickens when you need him?
     
  10. mangoldman

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    enough with the 9-5 crap. Yes we are 9-5 and technically first place in the AFC east. But we had a very easy schedule this year, we should have beat oakland, san francisco, we had the patriots without brady, and cassels first start since high school. (ill let that one slide cause BB is clearly the best coach in the league and the offense hadnt gotten things going yet) Hell, we prob should have beaten san diego. And when we had the inconsistent broncos at home we did not preform. That is def a game we should have won. All that being said, stop blaming Favre, you try learning a entirely new system in a month on a professional sports team. especially at age 38-39.

    Our own inconsistency this year should be blamed on the coaching staff's inability to make halftime adjustments, inspire a deep passion to win, and poor defensive execution by our players (exception=Revis)
     
  11. HardHitta

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    Tell Mangini TO FUCKIN BLITZ!!!
     
  12. steviep

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    The difference is that after a first half where they are getting beat up parcells/bellichek come out in the 2nd totally different. I know its cliche -- but the jets really do not adjust at all. In the second jets/pats game -- NE changed up in the 2nd half on D and we could not do much.

    Teams have been spreading out the jets and moving the ball.
    All day sunday -- rhodes is playing 30 yards off the los -- and they were going 5-7 a pop and we didnt change anything.
     
  13. Jake

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    Yeah it's pretty obvious we're being outschemed. They must blitz more, plain and simple.
     
  14. JetsLookingforDWare

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    None of that has anything to do with the players?

    Why should that player get open out of the backfield? They PLAN it like that? Really?

    It's the scheme that calls for Drew Coleman to get consistently beat? Or actually, for almost every other corner not named Revis to get beat often?

    Blaming things people have to do and can control on something as vague as a scheme very few of us even know any details of beyond "it's a 3-4" seems ridiculous. But that may just be my blind optimism/super homerism/non-logical bullshit kicking in again.

    Players play better, scheme works better. Thats all there is to it. When the players played well, the D played well. Trippy stuff, but it's true.
     
  15. Royal Tee

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    Just like when someone wrote that Favre got "Knocked on his ass" when we ran the WildCat in Tenn.?
    Meanwhile, Favre didn't even budge when he got hit.

    The Media is about getting people to read their shit. Which includes Bullshit and Propaganda.
    Sad part is, they all recycle the same BS.
     
  16. Hobbes3259

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    Did you want him to blitz when he lines up as Mike,Sam or Will
     
  17. JetsLookingforDWare

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    Question:

    If NE was having trouble beating our D...why would have been the ones to make any adjustments? Wouldn't the team getting beat be the ones making the adjustments?

    And teams are spreading us out because after Revis and Rhodes, our secondary is inconsistent as hell. And not only is it inconsistent, but guys like Law (slow, but physical) and Coleman (short and crappy) are easy to match up against if theres no pass rush going on. I don't know how the coaches are supposed to formulate some magic formula to create a pass rush if Jenkins has been struggling, Thomas stopped getting into the backfield, Harris got hurt, and Pace has been above average.
     
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  18. desert swordz

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    Point taken, but what's with the lack of pressure?? That's scheming, right??

    Like you said, we have obvious deficiencies in the backfield, besides revis and rhodes. because of this, mangini, sutton & CO drop a buncha people back into coverage. this really doesn't seem to help. why?? we get no pressure on the quarterback, and the QB has all day to sit back there and pick apart the said deficiencies.

    i understand what you say you state that our defensive backfield is lacking, and this is very true. still, maybe if we schemed to get some pressure on the QB, it would take away from some of the issues in our defensive backfield?? Successful pressure=less time QB has to make decisions and/or less time to find a man open and/or less time to pick apart our weaknesses in the backfield=more turnovers/mistakes (HOPEFULLY).

    that's a part of our scheme where we could improve.
     
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    Sorry, forgot to address this part. You're right. The team getting beat would obviously have to be the one making the adjustments. However, should the other team's adjustments prove successful, we ourselves would then have to re-adjust to answer their adjustments.

    of course, in this case, you still have to takke into account that it'd be unfair to expect mangini & co. to make adjustments straight outta halftime because they would have no idea what adjustments the patriots (the losing team) would be making.
     
  20. chris5533

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    We all new this already...our weak Link is the coaching staff.. Mangini needs to go, he sucks
     

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