Of the coaches I've seen, Ewbank is the best by a long measure, Parcells was good, but wasn't here long enough, and Michaels was pretty good, but he made some key bad decisions that cost us championships. Still, Michaels would be an improvement over what we've had in the past decade plus. But I still maintain that it's not the coaching so much as the "losers mentality" that comes from the top. Woody, and Hess before him, don't put a premium on winning, they just want a profit. Unless you focus on winning, you're not going to win. That sounds pretty simple, and it is, but for some reason that logic escape the owners. Frankly, I don't see the Jets winning anything until they get owners who know how to win, and won't accept anything less.
we are on our 4th coach and 4th gm since woody purchased the team 16 years ago, i wouldn't call that accepting results.
Whoa! I had never heard that Mangini had covered the mural of Jim Brown. OMG how insecure can one be? It's pathetic that he didn't learn anything from his Jets experience and was worse with the Browns. I think he was pretty good in some ways. If he could have not been so anal and inflexible, he might have been a very good HC. If he wants to coach again, he ought to go to the collegiate ranks like Carroll did to rehab his image.
We could've been on our 10th HC, The point is that he's tolerated the losing because he's still making money. When players walked away, or made demands he considered too high, he didn't try to keep them, he let them walk, and the team got weaker. Now granted, he probably relied on input from Ryan and Idzik, et. al., but in the end he has to accept responsibility for those decisions. How was it so clear to so many of us that Ryan was in over his head, and yet Woody stuck with him? But it's not just that Johnson should've been quicker with the firings when results weren't being achieved. it's that he doesn't know enough about football, and he hasn't hired anyone who really does and given him control. I still believe the problem is the owner.
I think you're really grasping at straws here. Woody replaces the coach and GM at will and spend over a hundred million dollars to try to improve the team in Maccagnan's first year. He also just shelled out an $86 million contract to Wilkerson and gave Revis the richest cornerback contract twice in 5 years. This isn't a Fred Wilpon situation with the Mets. We're over the cap. Just because he's shitty at hiring the correct people and hasn't signed good players with the money doesn't make him a cheapskate.
so, because he still makes a profit, disregarding that the owners make most of their money off the tv deals, he is tolerating losing? how does that make any sense?
"Penny-wise; pound foolish" is how I would label him. Sure, he gave Revis the richest contract...AFTER he let him go the first time. That wasn't the only decent player he allowed to leave instead of paying. He's thrown money at certain players, and held back on others, which is directly due to "he's shitty at hiring the correct people and hasn't signed good people". Maybe this comparison will piss you or others off, but what do you think George Steinbrenner would've done? He sure had his faults, and sometimes (often?) was an impatient asshole, but he re-established the Yankee winning mentality after the sinkhole they had become in the Sixties. I'd say the Jets could use a little "Steinbrenner" infusion.
no, you claimed that woody tolerated losing. you have yet to defend that statement. rattling on about other things doesn't support your claim. and comparing him to what steinbrenner would do when steinbrenner was working with the deepest pockets in an uncapped league is weak at best. fact is, up till bowles short history thus far, every coach he has hired had made the playoffs and every coach was fired after not producing . to call that tolerating losing is just not accurate. the guy has made some bad decisions at times, how bradway stayed with the organization as long as he did is a real head scratcher, but its always been about trying to win.
Well if I haven't sufficiently "defended" my claim, that's your opinion, but the other things I was "rattling on about" relate to my claim. I never said he was cheapskate...I said he tolerated losing, at least IMO, because he hasn't done everything he can to change it. Making the playoffs is a pretty low bar in the NFL when almost half the teams qualify. I'm not satisfied with them making the playoffs - I want them to at least GET to the SB. But after 54 years, maybe I have less patience than you.
what, exactly, do you want him to do other than change gm's and hc's when they put together losing seasons? he took bradway off a successful chiefs front office. he took herm from the dungy tree when it was hot, he took mangini from the beli tree when it was hot, rex was a popular choice. tanny served under parcells, idzic came from the same firm that delivered seattle schneider, bowles and mac are both delivered via two highly regarded football minds. what is the magic move you see that he isn't doing?
I would have him get the best GM and HC possible, regardless of expense. Now maybe he's tried to do that, but from what I've seen he's looked for guys who haven't been proven, and I assume that's because they're cheaper. Instead of hiring guys that have never done the job before, hire somebody who's proven, even if costs more.
no, specifically who? who did he miss out on at the time he was shopping. what "proven gm"? what "proven h.c." no vague the "best guy possible" .
Throw me some other examples, my du. I mean I guess you can argue Coles/Randy Thomas/Chad Morton but how exactly did that work out for the Redskins? Outside of handling the whole Revis situation absolutely horribly, we really haven't let too many big time players go that went on to a lot of success in other places. They've certainly made some terrible roster moves but it's not because of being cheap in anyway. It's just been bad evaluation of talent.
It just sounds like he's talking about the Mets, who ironically have changed their tune signing Cespedes to that massive deal. The NFL has made it nearly impossible to be cheap, requiring them to spend a high percentage of money over a 4-year period. That's why I was always curious as to what moves Idzik would've made. He set up the 3-4 year plan to spend big in the same offseason Maccagnan spent all that money. Regardless I keep saying that as if it's a chance that we'll ever get to see what he did, so I should stop. Woody is a shitty owner, but it's not for lack of dollars spent, or effort. Like you said, he's constantly replacing coaches and GM's when they fail, probably too soon in some cases. He needs to hire a proven President of Football Operations to handle all this shit. He tried in hiring the two consultants but it doesn't seem to have worked out. They were obviously paid a lot of money to do so, but the whole ideology of forcing a GM on a head coach or vice versa is fucking stupid. And now we've done it twice with back to back regimes. If someone's going to hire you to a multi-million dollar job and says 'can you work with Todd Bowles,' or the other way around are you going to say no? In the end, do Casserly and Wolfe really care what happens with this franchise? That's why a President whom is held accountable and needs to do well to keep his job is the best scenario.
Shared stadium or not, MetLife is an atrocity. Cash from two billionaire owners representing the greatest city in the world couldn't build something better than that big fucking tin can? Beautiful stadium in Minnesota Jerry-World The dump they call Metlife.
