"Competitive Rebuild" & why no one should be fired

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  1. BigSnacks54

    BigSnacks54 Well-Known Member

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    I can't have any confidence in Hackenberg, even if the guy's mechanics are fixed. I mean the coaching staff is still afraid to make this guy the back QB. Why is Fitzpatrick the backup QB? If Petty gets hurt, we're back in the situation we've been in for much of the last five weeks. Even when Fitz was hurt, Hack couldn't even secure the backup spot. That's a huge red flag.
     
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    BigSnacks54 Well-Known Member

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    Here's the thing: if the team sucks again next year and misses the postseason, the entire coaching staff will be gone. The coaching staff is not going to prioritize the development of QBS when they're trying to save their jobs next season. You either fire Bowles now or keep him for the next two seasons.
     
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    If ANYONE watched that Monday night game vs. the Colts and believes that Bowles deserves to coach another GAME, much less another YEAR, then they are as stupid as Todd Bowles. Bowles monotones after every game "We've just got to play better." or "It begins and ends with me, I';m the coach". Hope it does end with you, because your team left you long ago.
     
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    There are salient points for keeping TBs as HC. However, I said after game three that he and is CS were not capable of turning this thing around and they haven't been. He lost this team long ago and while another poster pointed out the "cultural change" he was supposed to bring and he has and it is losing.

    F him and his piss poor CS all should be shown the the door.
     
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    If only it was in Mac's hands to make the decision!!! It isn't. In his infinite wisdom (NOT), Woody made Mac and Bowles equals when he hired them. They both report to Woody.
     
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    So you mean that it's whoever owned the Colts (or was running the team) at that time that is to blame for me becoming a Jets fan and suffering all these years? ;)
     
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  7. Jonathan_Vilma

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    This is what is incredibly scary about the upcoming offseason. These clowns could bring in Romo or Cutler to try to salvage the inevitable sinking ship and further delay the process of bringing along not only the young quarterbacks but the young players in general.

    I could see a signing of not only Romo/Cutler, but players like Andrew Whitworth (35), Nate Allen (30 next season), DeMarcus Ware (35 next season), Charles Johnson (31 next season), and so on.

    We need to not sign anyone to be a major contributor over the age of 28, unless they're a bargain find. You obviously want to win games and find good players that can accomplish that, but you also don't want to be the 2011 Jets where we brought in guys like Plaxico and LT and held on to guys like Bart Scott, Mike DeVito and Jim Leonhard to stunt the development of talented yet undeveloped youngsters.

    Hopefully Maccagnan knows that. Because he pulled a Tannenbaum in his first big spend offseason in trying to build a quick winner. It backfired and turned us into one of the oldest teams in the league whilst not even being competitive.
     
  8. Big Cat

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    Yes, one Monday night blowout is automatic grounds for firing a coach. How the Patriots kept Bill Belichick beyond the Chiefs game in 2014 is beyond me.

    (Before you snark back, Bowles is obviously not Belichick, but exaggeration is one of the most effective ways to invalidate the logical structure of an argument).
     
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    doesn't matter, bowles isn't going anywhere. woody is playing the long game this time. no placating the knee jerk crowd
     
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    Bowles has not shown that he's learned how to be a successful HC. His game plans on both sides of the ball, his player selection and deployment, his game management- especially clock and T.O. management is terrible, obviously his motivational abilities are poor, and they've lost close games that good teams win. For example, take the Patriots game: The Jets go ahead by a point late in the game, but with plenty of time for Brady to engineer a comeback - did anyone believe that he wouldn't do that, and that the Jets would lose? That's coaching - being able to get your team to believe in themselves and overcome pressure and execute, but time and time again, the Jets fold like a cheap suit.

    But the thing that absolutely clinches his firing for me is his pigheaded insistence on playing Fitzpatrick when there was no realistic chance for the Jets to make the playoffs. And by doing so he continued to trot out a guy who was having a terrible year - not a bad game or two, but lots of bad games. Meanwhile, he was stunting the development of the only long term possibility we currently have to be the QB of the future, and clouding the ability to judge whether that faith and hope are justified, or if the Jets need to draft/sign another QB. This was pure selfishness on Bowles' part, putting winning a few meaningless games that MIGHT prevent him from being fired over the long term good of the team. He sealed his fate with Monday's debacle.

    As for Maccagnan, I think he should get another year anyway, but I would like it if they hired a VP/Pres. of Football Operations who really knows the NFL, to oversee Mac, and to put in place the foundation for a winning culture. A guy like Coughlin or Holmgren would be a good choice, if they could be talked into it. This is bigger than a new HC or QB, but changing those things would help.
     
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    We can save next season for next season. Bowles deserves an off season to work on things.
     
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    I don't think the age really matters. I don't think anyone would've been successful in Buffalo when he was there.
     
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    So now everybody is afraid that we are going to go full 2000 era Bills and it will just be the same thing over and over? Alright, give him 1 more year. We'll just delay firing his ass and there might be some better coaching candidates by then. Woody will just out of the country when he gets canned....
     
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    I'm not usually one that jumps to making rash decisions but I'm sorry Bowles is just brutal as a HC.

    When I see a team on the field that looks absolutely clueless on the field in week 11 and puts forth a total lack of effort then that is on the HC 100%.
    He makes no halftime adjustments to combat what the other team is doing and his in game decision making is atrocious !

    We need an established guy here , someone who adds instant credibility to the team. Not another young guy who's the next big thing and winds up being disappointment.
    I'm not sure who that guy is but they need to find him and fast.
     
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    This woe begotten franchise has been rebuilding since 1969...:mad::mad::mad:
     
  16. JCLA

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    The problem I have with letting them both go is our two first round picks under this regime are developing quite nicely. Williams is turning into a beast and Lee is looking as if he will be a very good player down the road too. I also have hopes for some of the other young players
    Nothing well? I think a lot of our young talent has been developing quite nicely.
     
  17. NCJetsfan

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    Lee has grown and developed. Have Anderson, Peake, and J. Marshall developed, or were they already this good? Has Burris developed? Jenkins? Mauldin? Maybe they have. If so, then that's the only thing I think Bowles and his staff can get credit for. Edwards seems to have regressed. So does Mo, Sheldon, Gilchrist, and several others.
     
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    Fake Champ!
     
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    I can understand the reluctance to make him the primary backup. He probably hasn't seen any meaningful practice reps all season, and definitely nothing with the first team. The coaching staff needs to force feed & expedite Petty now. It has to be nearly impossible to get both enough meaningful reps.
     
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    If they want Bowles to stay so bad let's see some effort the last month. Monday night is the kind of game that gets organizations to clean house.
     
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