At this point we are playing for the Future bro. The only thing we are winning right now is a top five draft pick! Everyone realizes or defense has to be fixed from top to bottom. At least we have some weapons on Offense that can be used properly now. Our Qb with a stronger arm gave us a chance to win yesterday. That is more than I can say at any other time this year!
No, we have lost games because of Chad throwing floaters. Like I said before, if we had KC in there from the beginning we would of won some of these close games. Our D was and has been a issue, but there not the one's throwing the IT's at the end of the game..
I was thinking the same thing yesterday. Get Clemens as much experience as possible and keep Jones as fresh as possible for next season when me might actually compete for something. Then thought about this teams record and that they really need to get a win any way possible at this point. Just another thing to throw on the "what are they thinking" list I guess.
What are you talking about we have had a chance to win almost every game this year, but our defense sucks ass and blows it. Clemens will be a good QB, but QB was not what was losing us games by a long shot.
Clemens did good but not great and we may have a new problem on our hands literally... The Jets recievers dropped what 10 passes ? and not one from McCareins!!! Suprise! Suprise!
Well KOZ, you are right to an extent...Yes the Jets are better off with Clemens throwing the ball, rather then Pennington. Clemens is much better then Pennington when there is pressure in his face, and lets face it, he has a cannon of a arm compared to Penny. But what you say that baffles me is that he is more accurate. Lets face it, Clemens had a sub par day yesterday in terms of hitting his receivers either A) in stride...B) above the waist and below the head....C)anywhere that would constitute an easy catch. The balls that were thrown for completions were all of his good throws, but he had a bunch of misfires that led to incompletions. The Leon drop was not his fault, but it still have been placed better. Clemens has a tendency to throw the ball high, which can be a big problem if the balls start getting tipped due to bad accuracy. Look at Cotchery's big reception in OT. He was wide open and Clemens damn near threw the ball over his head.... he did that countless times yerterday, a little shaky in the accuracy, but nonetheless a good performance. I see him getting more accurate as the year goes on.
For people who don't think we could trade Pennington somewhere in the offseason I was just looking at yesterday's stat lines. Granted some are backups forced into action and one was a replacement due to injury but still this is what the NFL has morphed into at the QB spot. Campbell - 142 yards Huard - 213 Smith - 149 Harrington - 138 Carr - 107 Young - 110 Warner - 172 Garcia - 196 Bollinger - 95 Rosenfels - 181 McGown - 158 Do you think half those teams wouldn't be better off with Pennington? I don't think this was even the worst week of the year at QB either.
I agree a 100%. I was impressed with the rookie staying in there, but aside from the lack of Int's there was not a lot of difference in the two. Defense is the biggest issue we have. Another couple of games and folks will start to come around to that.
Pennington averaged 188 yards per game in his 7 starts. Half those teams might be better off with Pennington? What do you think those teams QB are worth?
The lack of INT's was huge. Clemens hit a milestone yesterday (42 passes with 0 INT's) that I would have thought extremely improbable going into the game. Not going to do the research here, but I'm betting that most of the QB's that managed 40+ passes and 0 INT's in a game in one of their first few starts went on to have distinguished NFL careers.
Clemens did an outstanding job in his second career start taking the game into OT. The Jets Defense gave up 296 yards on the ground, which are usually blowout numbers. If Chad was in there, the score would have been 42-3 Skins. Let's forget about all the could have would have and should have - we finally got a new QB with both an arm and brain that works. It was his second start, so nitpicking at this point is not fair to him. The high amount of drops by the receivers may be due to the WRs having to learn their new QB. The ball was getting there much quicker as compared to Chad's throws, and they were not ready for it. The WRs are no longer dealing with Chad's blown out arm. The more they play together, the less drops you should see. One must praise Mangini for having the guts to go with KC and I can't say the kid let him down. I'm sure Mangini liked what he saw out there for a second career start. The Jets new QB avoided pressure on several occasions and got the ball off downfield. Chad would have been buried under the rush. Now the Jets can veer away from their unimaginitive offensive scheme (which was designed to protect the body and arm of fragile Chad) and start throwing the ball downfield as a rule, not as an exception. And maybe the fans can start watching and enjoying games again - even the losses. When it comes to arm strength, the only thing I want to see is pass attempts. And 42 pass attempts tells me the kid has an arm. And let's not downplay the ZERO INTs & ZERO FUMBLES by Clemens. In fact the one turnover the Jets did have was on a questionable fumble call on Cotchery. Other positives for KC against Wash are 9.83 yds per pass attempt, 48 yards rushing and 3 sacks, which isn't too bad for 42 pass attempts. And this was all done with the Jets best WR on the bench. As for Chad's future, Patriots only need is a backup QB and Jets should ship him to Foxboro for a draft pick. If Chad had started his career with someone other than Herm, he would have been a different QB at this point of his career. Yes, the Jets do need defensive help, but a good defense is a lot easier to put together than land a superstar QB. Let's hope the Jets have taken care of one of those important team needs and see what defensive expert Mangini can do on the other side of the ball. Taking into account his lack of experience, I give Clemens performance a B+.
I was really impressed yesterday. Everyone who is saying that his performance was not much better than Chad is A) wrong and B) evidently not considering that it was his FIRST start in the NFL and he is already "not much" better than Chad. Hopefully his accuracy improves, which is not guaranteed. Otherwise, I think we got a quarterback. P.S. I am also happy that he does not have the Rick Mirer-Eli Manning "I wish I were managing a Pizza Hut-get me the hell out of here" look, which is present in many young QB's.
Yes, aside from the Int's. The INT's were killing us this year with Chad. There not being much difference between he and Chad at this point isn't some kind of slight on my part toward Kellen. As well as he did yesterday there is hope that he will improve and play even better with a few more games under his belt. Because if he does not improve then he looks a lot like a younger version of Chad, which was never an issue for me.
"Other positives for KC against Wash are 9.83 yds per pass attempt" Sorry, that was 9.83 yds per completion. Per attempt, he was around 5.7 yds, not that good.
Hey guys come on, the rest of this season isn't about getting wins, this is about seeing progress from the young guys, particularly Clemens. If KC flops we will have a high draft pick, and a shot at another QB or at least big-time playmaker. If KC flourishes, we trust him, and look elsewhere automatically in the draft. So in terms of KC's play, he played great yesterday. He ran for 46 i believe, as well as throwing a TD and displaying NFL caliber arm strength. That tells me, that KC is going to at least be worth watching for the rest of the season.
The Jets will have to commit to KC for the next few seasons, regardles of how he plays the rest of '07. As mentioned, the team is in too much disarray and in need of help in other areas to spend another high draft pick on a QB. Clemens development or lack of will be directly related to the Jets efforts in rebuilding a successful running game. In today's NFL, you cannot have a top notch QB if you don't have a good running game that can keep the pressure off of him. All in all, for the first time this season, yesterday was a step in the right direction for this franchise.
