If the ball hits a receiver in the hands, they should make the catch. With JJ Watt on the line, it makes Sanchez have to work harder to find a lane. The throws can't always be perfect. Watt did make a few great plays that game, but seriously.. Cumberland needs to stop dropping balls. He's had this issue since 2010 preseason. There's no way he's capable of replacing Keller, and if they let Keller go this off season in favor of him, I'm going to be very upset. We don't need another fiasco like the RT situation. Keller hasn't played but he's showing how badly we miss him.
Absolutely he needs to catch the ball! Was is the greatest throw in the world? No. But he needs to catch that damn ball. End of story.
It was definitely a catchable ball, he didn't catch it and it ended in a bad break. I place the blame on the OC for rushing the offense into that play.
So lets see. Your "franchise" qb who was a top five pick and who's one of the highest paid players in the league makes an inaccurate throw that's high and away from Cumberland but its the backup minimum wage tight ends fault for not reeling it in? Was it a catchable ball? Yeah but when you are relying on mediocre players to make unnecessary tough catches you are playing with fire. Sanchez gets paid big bucks and is supposed to be the teams franchise qb. When your backup tight end gets free, it is your responsibility to make an accurate throw so its an easy catch. You wanna make excuses that your receivers are bad. Than when they get open like cromartie did, you better make good throws to them. If the qb was a 7th round backup and the tightend was a first round pick who's making top money than I'll give crap to the tightend for not making that catch instead of the qb throwing a tough ball. But it wasn't. Sanchez gets paid big bucks to hit open receivers with very catchable balls. Not tough ones high and behind. So forgive me if I don't blame the backup minimum paid tight end for not making a tough catch. You wanna be called a franchise qb? You wanna deserve being one of the highest paid players? Than you don't rely on backups to make tough catches. You hit them on the numbers and make it easy for them. That's why good qbs make mediocre players look better. Ridiculous that the sanchezsexuals wanna blame Cumberland for not making up for sanchezs bad throw. At least tebow hit his receiver on the numbers when he got open.
Have to agree with 2nd paragraph. They made plenty of mistakes, but generally the players came to play and win, the coaches were horrible.
Coaches were not horrible. They had a great game plan the only problem I had with them was the timeouts. Then again when your wide receivers are a 2nd year player, a back up TE, a WR that is new and missed all of training camp and the first game, then 2 other guys who just signed there is going to be disaray. Hell the catch in the 4th quarter to Schillens for a first he threw up his arms while lining up like he had no idea what the hell to do. He decided to run a slant and it happened to work. Held Schaub to 12-24 and Texans to 24 points. 6 of those from short position after Schillens messed up the onsides kick which was a good call and the Sanchez pick at the end of the half. D played well. O played better then I expected against a tough D they just failed to really cash in in the red zone and that was a big reason why we lost.
I rewatched that play this morning and if you go now to NFL.com and watch the highlights video of that game and that play, I know it's hard to watch, but watch that play again. They have the on the field camera view and that ball is not that high. Cumberland barely leaves the ground for it and it still hit him square in the hands. I can't put this on Sanchez. The drive was rushed, the play was rushed, and Cumberland gave a halfhearted effort.
Sanchez always has balls tipped at the line of scrimmage. Im not giving him a pass on that anymore. It happens to many times. I believe Pro Football Focus has him consistently at the top of the league in tipped passes. The last pick wasn't really his fault, Cumberland has to catch the pass in that spot.
These are all quotes of reaching to protect a QB that your invested in. Fact is there are a lot of QB's in the history of the game that have had worse, or as bad, recievers and still completed a higher percentage of their passes. The fact is, and the biggest argument I've had against Sanchez, is that he is simply not an accurate passer. When fans cheer because he didn't throw a screen in the dirt or over the receivers head that says a lot about the QB's accuracy. To call a pass a drop just because the receiver "Got his hands on it" at all, regardless of how difficult the catch would have been, is just naive or delusional. IF a QB needs receivers who constantly make Pro-bowl plays to make the QB look adequate then that QB isn't worth squat. Sanchez is constantly throwing either behind, high or low, is consistantly slow getting the ball to an open receiver. His pass to Cromartie was a typical Sanchez pass, short and behind the receiver. it would have been a pro-bowl type catch to have gotten both feet down, and even if he did it would have been the end of the play, if Sanchez doesn't underthrow, or at least puts the ball on the inside rather than the outside odd's are that's 6 points. It was a horrible throw. And it's a common theme for Sanchez, when I cheer because a QB actually does his job and leads a receiver it's indicative of that QB's overall throwing pattern. I would forgive Sanchez's performance if he was throwing a majority of accurate passes and they were going incomplete, but when the accurate pass is the exception and not the rule that QB isn't the answer. Look it's not Sanchez's fault the Jets over drafted him at number 5, It's not Sanchez's fault that the Jets gave him top money...He had almost no College experience as a starter, less than a season if I recall, and from a school that is notorious for putting out non NFL QB's that lays with the drafting team. But, it is what it is, and Sanchez is not a franchise QB, despite the hype and despite the loyalty of his fans. I'm a Jets fan, not a Tebow fan, not a Sanchez fan, not a Revis fan, not a Harris fan, Not a Greene fan, but a JETS fan. As a Jets fan I want the team to be the best that it can be, and I don't care who is at what position as long as they're doing their job and doing it well, I cut rookies slack, it takes time to adjust, I give second year players slack because it's still the learning curve, but by the time a player reaches their 3rd and 4th year they'd better show me that they can actually play. This is especially true at QB, this is a QB driven league. Sanchez was able to hide for two years behind a top 5 defense and a top 5 running game, neither is currently the case and we're seeing that Sanchez without either is one of the worst QB's in the league. Period. When you have rookie QB's with less talent around them outperforming your QB there is a very big problem. And this isn't saying that the current Jets receiving corp is all world, but there are teams that have equal or even less at reciever who do more with it. No excuses. This is the NFL, not pop warner football.
I agree with you 100% 1968jetsfan. There's a lot of people here that want to say well he played well enough, he was ok, his receivers aren't good (which is true) and based on what he's done in the past that he should just get a pass on gameday. No, a thousand times no. Being average to below average isn't good enough. Not in the NFL. Not when the rest of your team is operating at the same talent level. You look at the best teams in the league, the perennial playoff teams, what do they all have in common? Above average talent at key positions. Whether it's at QB or the entire offense as a whole playing at a top level, or even just a smothering defense. The Jets don't have these things so the flaws are that much clearer. Mark Sanchez simply put, isn't a good quarterback. I really wish he was but the numbers don't lie. The on the field results don't lie either. For every dropped pass that people like to point to, I can point to at least 5 that were completely off of the mark. All of that is on Sanchez but that last play, I didn't see anything I could put on the guy. It was a very catchable ball. Cumberland has to make that play.
Debate all you want on whether Sanchez threw high to Cuberbund. That was a shitty catch and another shitty throw from our franchise quarterback. Every week he leaves points on the field and our defense in bad in bad spots. If he was halfway decent, Tebow wouldn't be in NY. That game was very winnable...no thanks to Sanchez. This guy needs to sit. I'm tired of watching the same bullshit week after week.
Actually, that's the conundrum. Game was winnable thanks to Sanchez, and points were left on the field, thanks in part to Sanchez.
No guarantee that Keller would have caught that pass. Keller has been near the top of the list of drops by TEs since he's been in the league. Maybe the fact that Keller is shorter than Cumberland would have allowed the ball to sail over his head for an incomplete pass rather he might than tipped for an INT.
The Watt tip for an INT was simply a great play by Watt. Give him credit for a good play. But the INT to Cumberland that is all Sanchez. He threw a hard ball ball high and behind a receiver who had his hands down. Cumberland had to jump, get his hands in the air and twist his body. There is almost no chance that ball is being caught by Cumberland. You throw enough bad inaccurate balls you will get INTs. A good example are the 2 crossing patterns he threw to two weeks ago to Powell and to Holmes. Both were receivers running full speed across the middle with a ball thrown 2 yards behind the receiver. Both receivers got blamed for dropping the ball but both were very bad passes, very difficult if not impossible catches and we were lucky they did not turn into INTs. While Sanchez has made some progress this year on his inaccuracy, at least when he sets his feet, he still throws far to many bad balls that have a large chance of becoming an INT. Almosrt as bad he misses far to many wide open WRs killing drives. The receivers really played a great game last night making some great catches. The Cumberland and Gates catches were fantastic efforts. Kerley again came through with a couple very nice catches. He has become very clutch. Although Sanchez almost got kerley killed again on that poorly thrown deep ball when he was wide open.
