If you happen to find that link all I ask is that you post it. I'd really love to read on some of his thoughts and what he invisions the Role of 3-4 NT to be.
Actually he said D. Robertson would be the one that redefined the position. I can not find the article either.
Ellis isn't suited for the 3-4 defense and he has even said it himself that he would rather be in the 4-3 defense. Mangini has stated that he isn't looking for size in the nose tackle position, but more so speed and strength, hence the reason Sione Pouha dropped from 325 to 300 this offseason. Mangini likes Robertson exactly the way he is. Coleman is right for the 3-4. He played in it for 4 seasons under Parcells and has the size to be a true 3-4 end at just under 300lbs.
Man, I wish I could, but I can't even remember which writer it was. I think I have enoiugh credibilty to paraphrase the jist of it. First, if you read the pressers Mangini has given over the last week, you will see some statements that support what I say he is trying to do with the 3-4 NT spot. He has takled about Pouha not losing any stregnth while shedding pounds. He's talked about using the quick first step, and technique, especially with the hand positioning that allows a NT to gain an advantage. Here is one tell tale quote from Mangini: "He's got good size and good strength at the point of attack, and he's improved his hand placement, which is so important for that position. When you combine his strength, his leverage and his size with good hand placement, he's a tough guy to move." There have been other quotes that hint at this as well, including Mangini's comments on D Robertson. Mangini seems to be trying to beat the opposing center off the snap, and get him on his heels. do that, and the NT has to get double teamed. Don't double team him, and he can blow the play up. The jist of the article was simply this: A 300 pound NT that has a very fast first step can beat the blocking scheme as well as an imovable mountain like a Wilfork. This article I read (and in the end, does it matter what writer wrote it?) said that Mangini was trying to change the accepted classic NT profile from a 350 pound beast to a 300 pounder that still has the strength, but also the quickness to get to the opposing center before he sets his feet. Robertson himself has talked about using his speed and quickness to make the difference. This has been a common theme in virtually every article I've read about DRob and Pouha, backed up by many quotes by Mangini in the last two weeks. Will it work? We'll find out, I suppose. PS: Thank you FITM
Ok.....I appreciate all of everybodys sentiments, but thats all that it is...:grin: The reality is The Jets' don't have any of the front 3 needed for the 3-4 defense. The other reality is they do have 2 pieces of a front three 3-4 defense. They have the 2 neded DE's. They are D-Rob as 1 DE & Pouha as the other DE. They need that missing NT. They also have little effective depth for the front 3. Pouha is very active & nimble for his size & would be a very good DE...from what I see on game film. That leaves just a gapping hole in the middle of the defense. That same hole that every team runs through every game against the Jets'. Mangini for all his hard word work, isn't Belicheck. Belicheck is the real defensive genius. I believe I can use the word "genius" when referring to Bill Belicheck. Ellis really only excelled in the presence of Abraham. Ellis is average at best. Ellis will either re-structure next season or be cut. Hamilton, Kimo, & the rest of the bums need to be cut. The Jets' need draft picks & alot of new talent. How they have squandered there picks when they need alot of new talent is a real situation. Trading up for Revis.....was a good move if he pans out, but trading up again for Harris...a ILB w/o outstanding speed or size ??? He better be a pro bowl player. Jets' were better off trading up to get that DT from Michigan Alan Branch. That was there NT right there. That was there space--eater right there. How much better would the Jets' look right now with Justin Blaylock lined up at LG or RG ? Eric Wright at one of the CB's ? Didn't the Jets have 1 #1 pick & (2) #2's picks ? Tangini have 1 more season to show me there more than just jesters & entertainers. :drunk: Now....you can agree or disagree with my view, but my view is the real deal. Go ask the "Genius".
Whatever they said..its' B.S. Reality is 350 lb im-movable mountains don't move !!!! Translation...no yds are gained on football field. 350 lbs beats 320 lbs at the end of the day or a football sunday. :up:
If you can't get a starting job in a 3-4 defense in 4 shots with Parcells you're not a starting 3-4 DE. How the Jets missed that fact is beyond me. Parcells only cares about two things in a player: 1. Can you play well enough to get on the field and stay there? 2. Do you buy into his system and not make waves? Given that Coleman clearly was not an attitude problem or a loud noise in Dallas I think we can safely say that #1 was the problem.
Well, we have players who won't sit on the bench after stubbing their toe, so that is a good sign right there.
http://forums.theganggreen.com/showpost.php?p=534215&postcount=15 This is what I saw as of the end of last season. It's still true today.
Thats because he's LAZY. His 4-3 responsabilities were far less demanding than his 3-4 responsability. The fact of the matter is that he was drafted to play 3-4 DE and thus far has not shown much there since we have gone back to it. And his best year at 4-3 DE, it was the year that Abraham was hurt for most of the year.. so it wasn't all injury Abe that made him better. Someone needs to light a fire under his ass, because thus far I'm very disappointed. He has to much talent to just disappear like he did last year.
yeah your right... speed, agility, stregnth at the point of attack... they all mean nothing if your not 350 pounds playing NT
Yes....You're correct. Just put a 2000 lb rock & your yard & it's what is known as an immovable object. Thats what a good NT is. Were not trying to re-invent the wheel.
Shaun Ellis actually used to be over 290 but he slimmed down to about 280 last year to be in better shape.
