You also have to remember our O did nothing that game, ti's not like if we had tried to get closer that we would have- it was a big risk of a turnover. I don't agree w/ taking a knee but i agree w/ being conservative there.
The entire Hackett O is based on protecting the ball and being conservative. You're telling me the Jets didn't have any plays they felt comfortable running there other then Martin straight into the line twice and a knee?
Just imagine if we ran play action and Chad was sacked and fumbled or he threw an INT. We gained enough yards to make it a makeable try. Obviosuly I wish we had 10 more yards but it wasn't going to be easy to get those yards anyway. It would have been risky.
Chadwick is the man. He is obviously going to be around in the future (if he remains healthy), I mean they are already revamping this entire offense around him. It is a no brainer in my eyes. Chad has never played a full season from my understanding, and that will take A LOT out of any newcomer to a full season. It is almost like he is in some kinda rookie roll, first season is always rough for rookies. Chad just is'nt used to this wear and tear yet, but I think he is doing a VERY good job with all things considered. Coming off 2 shoulder surgeries to your throwing arm, and then coming back to play your first ENTIRE season is applauding. I looked this up quickly, but I believe he is 29-23 as a starter for this team. It is not that impressive, but atleast it is positive. I honestly feel he COULD be something special in this team setting, but he needs a lot of help to be successful. I dont mind what the conclussion is, I just want results like everyone else. Just want the best possible options to be a SB caliber team.
Even at the QB position, I think it is a day to day, game to game, month to month, year to year decision. I think that it is the same with the QB position. As evidenced by the extreme polarization on this board regarding Chad, he has done a lot of good and a lot of bad. He has led us to the playoffs (hopefully) and should be congratulated for that. But in the team oriented, best player plays system of Mangini he has not done enough to guarantee being the long term starter. I think from what we have seen and heard that the coaching staff really likes Kellen. I suspect we will go into camp next year just like this year with an open competition, and Mangini will play the QB he thinks gives him the best chance to win. And that process will continue each week of the season. He will have no hesitation to go with Kellen if he thinks that is right move. If Herm was here this would be a completely different discussion. Chad WOULD play for the rest of his contract whether or not it was the right decision. Look at him in KC-he has already declared Green the starting QB next year (the Herm blind allegiance to veterans) which insures that Damon Huard will QB for another team next year. Huard was clearly better than Green this year and they might have made the playoffs if they stuck with him. Mangini will never approach it that way. A couple things will make the competition next year very interesting and hard to predict. I think that people gloss over why a rookie QB does so much better typically starting his second year. Well, we forget that if he starts the second year not only does he have 16 games to prepare for, watch and learn from but more importantly he will have an offseason to work out and learn, 2 more mini-camps and a full training camp. That is a lot of experience. Clemens will be much more prepared next July and will be a much better QB. I think he was considered for the starter pretty seriously even this year. Chad on the other hand, will have another year to rehab and strengthen his arm, and work again on his technique which has slipeed a bit lately to his old arm motion. Chad will be fully healed and likely with more arm strength and a full year of experience with the offensive system. It will be a very interesting battle. No one can predict definitively who will win the competition. Having said all that, I doubt very much that Chas will be the starter past next year. He just does not have the arm strength to run the offense the way that it is full designed which is a lot of medium range passing.
I cant believe anyone would defend that decision by Herm. If we were 10-15 yards close yes, but not when you are at the outer range of the QB. There were plenty of safe plays we could have run to get a few yards. Keep in mind that Pitt had to protect against the touchdown so a short out, quick slant or a pass to the soft part of the zone would have been open. That was a horrible, horrible decision but Herm and is just indefensible.
I cant vote yes to 3 years from now. I love Chad, but if Clemens is not on the field in 09 then in my mind hes a wasted pick.
I'm all for open competition. If he beats out the other QBs then yes, but if someone steps up in camp, i'm all for giving them a shot.
If Chad is the best available QB to us to start - then hell yeah I want Chad. To make people commit to a 3 year opinion is kinda silly in itself though. Right here, right now I want Chad starting. Next year they start training camp and the job is open... best guy wins.
No. Chad is just holding the fort down right now for clemens. He's great at managing the game and is very accurate. But he has serious limitations that limit what this team is capable of in the long run.
You're right, it isn't that difficult to figure it out, and it's not what you say. First of all, 2002 has to be taken out of the equation. In 2002 Pennington was an EXCELLENT quarterback - top 5 in the NFL in my opinion. That's irrelevant in any discussion of 2006, however, since he is in no way the same QB now that he was then. Three injuries, including two shoulder surgeries, will do that to you. People can speculate all they want as to whether he'll be better, worse, or the same next year, but no one (including you) is claiming that he is as good now as he was in 2002. That leaves the 2003-2005 version of the Jets with and without Pennington to consider. Remarkably, his performance this year is almost EXACTLY what would have been predicted by his performance in 2003-2005, given the Jets schedule. The Jets' were 7-2 with Pennington against teams .500 or better in those years, and 6-11 with him against teams under .500. They have played 9 games against teams under .500 this year, and 6 games against teams over .500 (no teams exactly at .500 after 15 weeks, of course). If you use the corresponding winning percentages, and take the schedule into account, the predicted record for the Jets after 15 games is ... 9-6. Even more remarkably, it is 7-2 against teams with losing records, and 2-4 against teams with winning records, EXACTLY what it actually is. The Chad-led Jets of 2006 are playing very much the same as the Chad-led Jets of 2003-2005 did (providing even more evidence that this isn't the Chad of 2002, who had a 6-3 record against teams that were .500 or better). What if Chad wasn't the starter? From 2003-2005 non-Chad QBs led the Jets to a 6-4 record against teams below .500, and a 1-11 record against teams .500 or better. There is no question that the Chad substitutes performed worse than he did, of course, but how much worse? Against this year's schedule, after 15 games you get a prediction of a 6-9 record, with a better than 50/50 shot at winning the final game against a 2-13 Raiders team. So, the statement that Chad has been worth roughly three extra wins this year is quite defensible, but the statement that he has been worth five is not supported by the historical data. It's easy to forget that in 2005, the Jets didn't just lose a lot of players to injury; they also had a killer schedule, with only five games against teams that ended up below .500. Based on his winning percentages from 2003 until he went out last year, the Jets' expected record would have been around 7-9 or 8-8 last year with Pennington playing the full season, just based on the schedule (despite what the "experts" supposedly said). The injuries last year cost them three or four wins, and the schedulemakers this year gave them an extra two or so.
He is the most winning QB in Jets history, of course I want him as the QB for as long as he can play.
