Dolphins fans over at FinHeaven...

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  1. feelthepain

    feelthepain New Member

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    Yet another "fact" that isn't a fact.
     
  2. xxedge72x

    xxedge72x 2018 Gang Green QB Guru Award Winner

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    That's true. I am biased, and you're a troll.

    My opinion - bias = Jets > Dolphins.

    Well, look at that. It can be proven mathematically.
     
  3. greenbeanz

    greenbeanz Well-Known Member

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    how is what he said a fact. he said he would bet on it. you cant bet on fact. if you could we would all be cleaning out vegas. god you suck at life FTP
     
  4. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    I suspect neither Clemens or Sanchez are going to be asked to be perfect game managers. I would hope that who ever starts is going to be a weapon and make mistakes and make plays. Teams that need perfect play from the QB position aren't doing squat in the playoffs.

    Ideally you want a great D so that your playmaking QB doesn't get burned for turning the ball over. Teams that are afraid to turn the ball over usually get their ass kicked against really good teams. Really good teams are really good because the turnovers are just an opportunity for the D to kick some ass.
     
  5. feelthepain

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    Well of course ideally, that's how things could be. But with a young inexperienced QB the ability to make mistakes and have your D bail you out is huge. My point was if the Jets have a great D I think they can win despite good or avg QB play, but if their D is avg or below, the chances of success with a young QB are greatly dimished. It's all gonna come down to how Ryan coaches this D this year and what they can accomplish.
     
  6. feelthepain

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    Didn't you know that Jet fans view opinion and fact as one in the same? Come on now, you're not pulling your load!
     
  7. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    The Jets are rebuilding this isn't going to be a big year for the Jets. The Fins are also rebuilding they just don't know it yet.
     
  8. feelthepain

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    Well I don't know how you're coming off 100 mil dollar spending srpee just the year before and return basically the same team less Brett Favre and call it a rebuilding year, escisally with what only 3 draft picks? But OK, Miami is in the middle of their rebuild, but just because you're rebuilding doesn't mean you can't have success. Miami has a nice mix of youth and veteran leadership. We have veterans at nearly every position and a ton of youth learning as they go. I've never once said Miami is gonna be a better team, only that they could be a better team coming off that 11 win season and a playoff berth coupled with the division title.

    Several of the leaders of this team won awards last year. They won those awards because they earned them. Helping Miami to a season which NO ONE thoguht they could produce. Much of that success was due to good coaching and a good philosphy. Hard work in the off season program, studying hard with their play books and the fear of losing your job if you don't produce. It wasn't a fear as if the coach was gonna chew you out, it was a common theme that the caoching staff wanted winner and if you aren't going to help the team improve you weren't gonna be here. It's not a new concept, it's just one that comes with a promise.

    Jet, Pat and Bill fans can act however they want, they can make up all kinds a reason and think up any excuse they want to convince themselves Miami isn't for real. That really doesn't change what the philosphy in Miami. This staff in intent on building a winner and they're doing it the right way. Us Dolphin fans aren't gonna back down and allow you to pretend you have all the answeres and whaterver you say will be about a team you know little about much less follow.

    We are the ones following this team, we are the ones online everyday watching the player coach interviews, we are the ones who see the change and the difference in attitude. This sport is so close in talent level from team to team to team, that it isn't talent that wins games as much as it is confidence and unity. Maimi has the confidence and unity needed to succeed. The coaches realize that only 49% of the teams that make the playoffs the season before return the following and they aren't letting the players forget that, no one is complacent, there is no comfort level. So don't expect the Dolphins to come with this attitude they're owed something, cause it won't happen.
     
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  9. Jet Blue

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    I gotta say one thing - I haven't heard much from Fin fans I know for almost a decade... ZIP, NADA... I went to a Bills game in Miami and they were singing Buffalo songs...


    It's kinda fun having them back.... to their delusional selves.

    I still think last season unfolded perfectly for them and The Jets defense this year is a MUCH better matchup for us... There's not much better for Chad Pennington than Eric Mangini reading and reacting and letting a Chad type QB eat his D up... Rex isn't eating that crap...

    If Penny's career follows suit we'll see Henne at some point and he's as big a question mark as anyone right now.... You could see a Dolphin team next year looking for a QB - and Ronnie Brown isn't getting a LT deal - They will need a RB as well.
     
  10. xxedge72x

    xxedge72x 2018 Gang Green QB Guru Award Winner

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    Seems like you have an inferiority complex. You come running to a Jets message board looking for approval. We think our team is better and with good reason. That doesn't mean your team sucks. It just means we think we're better.
     
  11. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    Don't kid yourself it's talent that wins in this league. The Dolphins last year were the 97 Jets with Neil O'Donnel that didn't choke against some crappy teams at the end. The 98 Jets were a legit SB contender. The reason they were is Parcells brought in Kevin Mawae, Curtis Martin and Vinny T who had a season that Chad Pennington could only dream of having.

    I didn't see the Dolphin bring in that type of talent this off season. Nice developing team, good running backs, decent D but not a big time team yet.
     
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  12. feelthepain

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    Nope, just my opinion of the Dolphins.
     
  13. feelthepain

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    Wouldn't that support my opinion it isn't just talent that wins games?
     
  14. xeticus

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    Last year the Dolphins overachieved I feel. They played beyond their talent level but that could take them only so far as the games against Baltimore showed.

    However the Dolphins will be a much more talented team this year. Bigger and stronger on the OL. Tons of depth at LB. Lots of pass rushers. Much improved secondary. Gibril Wilson is looking good and the rookies Sean Smith, Vontae Davis and Chris Clemons are getting real good reviews. Much more depth at WR. Ted Ginn is supposedly coming along nicely. I don't think he'll ever be a true #1 receiver but I think he's going to be a real solid receiver.

    The Dolphins didn't lose any significant players from last year's team. And they improved their weak spots at WR and Secondary. The OL which got pushed around by the big division NT's last year got beefed up. The Dolphins are more talented than last year. They might have a worse record because of strength of schedule and because Brady will be back but they're going to be serious contenders in the division this year.

    Sure some of the Dolphins fans are acting crazed but honestly this is best situation the Dolphins have been in for years. Since Jimmy Johnson was the coach. So excuse us if we're a bit excited at our prospects. :)

    I personally peg the dolphins around 10-6 this year. Can't wait for the season to start!
     
  15. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    If you're arguing that not much seperates 6 and 10 teams from 10 and 6 first round playoff teams in terms of talent I agree. Talent starts making a difference in the second round of the playoffs after the bundled mediocrity that the NFL sells as great competition is out.
     
  16. feelthepain

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    I have to say I disagree, it's why the Arizona Cardinals were able to make it to the SB and almost win the game. They were lucky to even make the playoffs, but they damn near won the SB. I think they have some talent, but are they the most talented team in the NFC? I don't think so. I think good leadership at QB and a smart coach who had been their before were the reason the Cards went as far as they did. So like I said talent can be found on any roster, it's the coaching and experience that get you to the next level.
     
  17. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    Kurt Warner is a HOF QB he isn't a game manager. They also have the best WR tandem in the NFL and they have had a highly talented underachieving D for years.
     
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    Plus no running game, Kurt had to wing it to win games. And don't forget, having WRs like Fitz, Boldin and Breaston helps too.
     
  19. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    5 starters on the NFL pro bowl team from last year. Kurt Warner when healthy has been a great NFL QB.
     
  20. xeticus

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    Any QB who can win a super bowl and then lead another team to the Super Bowl has to be at least considered for the HoF. His stats may not be the most impressive but the guy is a winner. And considering he used stock the grocery aisle it's all the more impressive.
     

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