The thing is it should be a hit or miss. A speedster should be our #3 WR. If JMac can't cut #2 then he can't cut it on this team period.
He makes a good backup for both split end and flanker...we could use him as insurance should someone go down. No need to get rid of him this season....but next season he's probably either trade bait or a goner unless he fills in admirably for one of our injured starters.
this is kinda unrelated. but i was just listening to the Skins game from this past weekend and the commentators quoted Mangini about Cotchery: "while I was at the other place, he caught my eye" (1st Quarter, around 10:00min mark). so, while Mangini coached NE, he managed to evaluate Cotchery better than Herm, who just gave McCareins the starting job; to think that Cotchery could have gotten more playing time and experience already, pisses me off. i still want to see what McCareins can do as a #3 or #4 WR, but clearly, at this point, he shouldn't start. cheers
CLearly? I don't think so. I haven't seen too much evidence in REGULAR SEASON GAMES to think Cotchery should play. Maybe he should, but let's see him do it in games first. I think he should play more than he did, but this "Oh McCareins is shit because he had 1 bad season" should stop too.
Ya, I agree. I mean, I know Cotchery has been the star of training camp and that's great because I have high hopes for him, but let's just wait until we play some actual games before we give up on JMac. Some people have all the talent in the world, but don't seem to be able to put it together. Maybe that's the case with him, but I just don't buy it. I think a lot of unfortunate circumstances have hurt his production, but with better play around him, he'll be the player we wanted him to be.
But you guys do not take into account that McCareins and Heimerdinger NEVER saw eye to eye. McCareins was EXCITED to get away from him when he was traded year, only to have him reappear the next year. You could tell that by the quotes McCareins gave when Heimerdinger was hired.
I agree, but it's just that in the action he has seen, when balls have gone his way or when he's had the opportunity to fight for one, he hasn't really performed (I know there are exceptions but I'm speaking about the majority of PT he has seen). To top it off, the guy has the opportunity to walk into a brand new camp this year, slate clean, a new day, etc. What does he do? Walks in, or waddles in, out of shape and fails the conditioning test. That right there tells me alot. Couple it with the fact that his camp has been quiet, at best, and I see a receiver who is really a #4 behind Coles, Cotch and Dwight. And that's not to say that he wouldn't be pushed back to #5 is Smith comes on strong during the season. These guys have one purpose in life right now- to come onto the field, give 110% and earn that large paycheck which 99.9% of the rest of us will never see. When you walk in without that fire, I lose respect for you as a person and more importantly, as a player.
I read yesterday that Atlanta had offererd TJ ducket for J-mac but our FO said that they wanted to keep the depth we have at Reciever and then made the deal with san fran for barlow. So I don't think he will go anywhere this year.
ATL was also looking for a draft pick along with JMAC. Had it been a straight swap I doubt that he would still be on the team.
I gave up on JMAC 2 years ago... when a player starts to be a negative commodity on your team why keep him. More dropped balls than anyone I've ever seen!
For starters, the last thing McCareins should ever be accused of is being out of shape. The rumor I heard is he cramped up (Cimini said it I think). Was it an excuse? Maybe, but the man is not out of shape. Do you remember the end of 2004? McCareins was our best receiver. I know we did not have Coles then, and Moss wasn't the 2005 Moss. However, he was our best player. I think you are big time overreacting with this losing respect stuff. Cotchery may be better..... I'm not arguing against Cotchery. I just think on this board people give up on certain players WAY too soon and fall in LOVE with the ROOKIES and/or BACKUPS way too soon as well.
Well I guess that only time will tell. Hey, I'd love for every receiver on this team to compete at the #1 level, but there's certainly a dropoff in talent at some point. Right now, I'm drinking the Cotchery cool-aid. In his limited appearances, the guy has shown me alot of really good things, more than JMAC has, in the way of tools and just how useful he can be on the field. Where JMAC sits on the chart in the next few PS games will certainly let us know what the organization thinks of him.
Cotchery has been pretty good, but lets not dismiss the end of 2004 yet.. That's all I am saying. As for McCareins being out of shape... there is no way you are out of shape to pass a test, and then the next day pass it..... Something else had to happen.
The only thing jmac has going for him jets04 is that he had no qb last year. You keep referring to the previous year as some sort of monster solid year..it was an ok year....barely worth giving up a 2nd rounder. If memory serves me correctly...his ypc with the titans is what interested the jets the most (along with 7td catches). He came to the Jets and somehow became a possesion receiver (once again..that could be because of the lack of down field throws and pennington). He is either just an average receiver..or a suffering big time from the program he is/was in the last couple years. I just havent seen anything from this coaching staff that tells me they are sold on that. Forget about the training camp fiasco...I couldnt care less about that. Since that time..this coaching staff soured on him...as did dinger when he was here..and with the titans. Im willing to give him this year..what are the choices...but not at the expense of finding out what kind of player cotch is. Jmac had 2 full seasons to show us the goods...he can keep showcasing...just let cotch get the number 2 balls. For the record, I loved the trade at the time..but Im just a crazed fan that was desperate for a receiver. Many of us bought in to the "potential" label awarded him...3 years later I just dont see it.
That's totally true, he was Chad's go-to man for like the last six games. And he was pretty clutch if you ask me. I think he'll stick around AND preform well for us.
I'm not totally "Giving Up" on JMac just yet because he could possibly thrive in his slot WR role...But that's if he can beat out Dwight and Smith, who have had more PT than JMac... Hopefully he can move back up the depth chart and causes mis-matches in the slot...But it's not looking good.
Last year, I saw McCariens give up on balls that might have been catchable. I cut him some slack because he was supposedly battling some nagging injuries. I no longer beleive that. Last week at TC (sitting with Mister Moss) we saw him get open deep, down the middle of the field. Ramsey threw the bomb. McCariens showed no fifth gear at all, and the pass was overthrown by LESS than a yard. He never even put his hands up. There isn't another player on this team that would not have made an effort on that throw. Just like last year, if it isn't on his numbers, he doesn't even make an attempt. This guy lacks competitive spirit. He won't get his uniform dirty trying to make a catch. When was the last time anyone saw McCariens lay out for a ball, or slide for a low pass? He just doesn't do that. I can understand some drops... but a lack of effort, or laziness is unacceptable. He seems to think all he had to do was throw his helmet on the field this year. Hey, Justin.... Herm is gone, and so shall you be soon as well.
All based on 1 practice? Wow. I'll grant you the no laying out part of it, because I can't think of an instance either, but I still go back to 2004 (maybe that's too far to go back, and I'm being too generous?) when he went over the middle with quick slants and got battered all day. All of last year I am willing to ignore because of injuries/Heimerdinger/etc. Should it have happened that way? No, but it did, and i'll give him a second chance. As for no "5th gear" I really do not think you can tell that from the stands. I can see laying out for it, or at least putting your hands up though. I agree with that.
