I've already said that it's pretty much too late for '08, and we're stuck with what we've got... What more do you want from me? I think we should have made a move to get rid of Chad and bring in a more physically capable veteran backup before the draft, when we could have gotten real compensation for Chad, and offered real compensation for a different #2 QB. I've already said as much. So what's the issue? I chimed in on the Culpepper thing, because people were talking as if having Culpepper behind Clemens instead of Pennington would represent a significant step back, and I completely disagreed with that point. That's all.
Mr. Abyzmul, You are mistaken. I don't think my dissatisfaction with Chad Pennington in 07 or before has anything to do with whether or not there are any viable alternatives. I don't think that the total absence of any information that's reliable on Kellen's ability to function in even an average offense is relevant to asking whether there's anybody better. Asking whether there's anybody out there that could do a more superior job is a separate question from what I choose to use to wipe my ass. You are trying to joke? Maybe...
So, who was available, at any price, that's preferrable to either Chad or Kellen before the draft...? I don't see anybody being offered up since the season that is so delectable we just have to have them insteaad of Ratliff, et al.
You are trying to dismiss talking about Chad while also arguing against viable alternatives to Chad. To have an alternative you must have something to which it is an alternative. A control group. Otherwise the word 'alternative' makes no sense in this argument. But keep going, because I know Beamen is wasting his time on this one.
First off, I'm talking about getting rid of Chad, not Clemens. Clemens should be going into this season as the starter, with a complacent backup QB/veteran mentor as the #2. We could have made a move for practically anyone before the draft, depending on the compensation we were willing to offer, which I think also would have depended on what we could have gotten for Chad. Just looking at guys who were FAs this past offseason, who we could have picked up as our #2 QB: Mark Brunell was available. Todd Collins was available. Quinn Gray was available. Billy Volek was (briefly) available. Those are guys who were available that I think would have been clear improvements at the #2 spot, and more than likely content as the #2 guy. There were also many more guys who would be a toss-up when compared to Chad as an option at the #2 spot (David Carr, Gus Frerotte, Trent Green, Byron Leftwich, etc)... None of these guys are world beaters, but neither is Chad. All of these guys are either young, with room for improvement, or nearing the end of the line, and likely to take the #2/mentor role without any gripes. Chad is incapable of being an effective NFL starter anymore. He is older, and on the decline, and still convinced he should be starting. In my eyes, this is the worst kind of guy to have as your potential #2. And if he kicks ass in TC (like so many mediocre players often do) and wins the job, we're in for a hard time in 2008... And abyzmul... I know I'm wasting my time.. But I guess I'm in the mood to engage in endless debates today...
What rookie would he back up? None of those teams are set to start a rookie behind center in Week 1. Maybe you meant Culpepper was going to backup the backup in Green Bay (Brian Brohm)?
^ You're right, he is a current FA. And honestly, I know we're not going to make the move this late, but I'd MUCH prefer a guy like Gray as our #2 than Chad...
The point has been made there are several Qb's out there at least as good as Chad, and I think sufficiently made to put to rest the canard that the Jet FO had no one to look at. That is just not true. I know to some I keep talking about Chris Simms, and I concede I know nothing about how well he has come back from his injury. But this is not the first time such a situation has been faced. You check him out. You do a medical exam. I wouldn't have thought TB would have wanted Chad in a trade, anyway, so some other deal would have had to have been worked out with his actual signing contingent on his ability to play. Assuming he met a level of being able to play, we KNOW Simms has far more upside potential than Chad. How do we know this? Since we KNOW that Chad has NO upside potential. Not to beat a dead horse, but I think TB would be willing to do a deal for Simms since his situation there is not a good fit.
Is it not alarming to anyone that as bad as Qb Play is in the Nfl that no team has even come to the Jets and asked about Chad? If they did there would at least be some rumors some place.
No, this is not going to be an interminable debate, Mr. Beaman. You and I will have to agree to disagree on this. I believe there are no real alternatives in FA or veteran tradebait that would not be worse for the NYJs this year. The NYJs are building the OL and the Defense first, and then they will concentrate on the skill players based on their deficiencies that show up when the offense and the defense are both strong enough to compete as a rule instead of as an exception. You appear to hate Chad Pennington more than you care about the NYJs because everything you put forth as an antedote for Pennington would certainly leave the NYJs at a disadvantage. I have looked up each of these other QBs that you have listed. However, I am looking forward to this season, and your opinion is quite solid. I just hope you don’t agonize too much over this, when you go to visit the NYJs at TC a couple of days a week this summer, and see Chad and Kellen fighting it out.
Mr. Big Blocker, Chris Simms has been fighting with the Bucs to get them to release him so he could go into the market. But he has steadfastly refused to come to OTAs and probably also to participate in the coming training camp until he gets his way. This puts the Bucs at a serious disadvantage because until they see him practice with the team they have no way of knowing he is worth trading, should just be released, or should be actually competing for a job. The owners have been very loyal to Chris Simms and kept him on injured reserve last year so that he would get his full salary (a couple of million I think it was). But none of this means that this guy is going to be any good. The last time Chris Simms tried to play football his body simply would not let him. No one really knows how he'll fare until he gives himself a fair shot with the Bucs and they can determine what his playing or fair market value really is. So, Chris Simms is hardly available to anybody for the time being. He's not really an alternative for the NYJs in 08.
Aaron Rodgers has been described by the press reports about Culpepper's turndown as the rookie since he hasn't played for Green Bay or anybody else in the pros as yet.
Under the right circumstances Simms could become available. I anticipate we will see something other than him remaining under wraps, going nowhere.
The guy has been in the league for three years already. I didn't know a 4th year veteran could still be called a rookie.
