Where do you logic from? Let's not deal in hypotheticals. The fact is he has done an absolutely incompetent job at building this team. Jets better hold on because this looks like another five year rebuilding job. There are just too many holes. Here is where I think Idzik showed me how bad he is at thinking ahead. You draft a quarterback who you want to be the "franchise". Yet you don't build around him. I don't understand that. This franchise is doomed.
The talent Mangini got? Wow! You are kidding, right? Mangini was such a great coach, he isn't even in the league anymore. You realize that, right?
I agree with all of this, but what is bothering me the most is how stubborn Ryan can be. It is as if he thinks when things go bad, just keep at it and things will get better. Sometimes situations call for such patience and fortitude. But sometimes things are going bad because your approach is wrong, and you need to do something different. Ryan seems to think that changing the approach is the last thing he wants to do.
but if Rex made it to the title games w/ better talent doesn't that counter the bashing of Tannenbaum as just an accountant?
Everyone keeps saying Woody has been one of the more successful owners in our history, which is true. But just look at what we compare him to. Not that hard to be better than mediocre. I'm fine with Idzik it's his second season. Albeit out of him 19 or so picks. Seems like we only got 1 good player.
Ive heard from multiple people that Idzik has had nothing to do with personnel decisions in any of his previous stops. Take that with a grain of salt, but i dont think it is a given that Idzik had anything to do with personnel in the past. Michael Jordan played basketball, he sucks as a GM. Just because you play doesnt mean you can see talent. Just the same as just because you can see talent doenst mean you can play.
Reading is fundamental. I guess you did not read what I wrote. Picking talent does not equal a great coach
What the Jets need to do at this point is get a topflight talent evaluator in to run both the pro personnel and college scouting divisions. They haven't had a good talent evaluator for more than a decade now and so they've only hit on a half dozen draft picks over that time. You have to be pulling a superior NFL player out of the draft every season along with a couple of other guys who can play the game well. The Jets just aren't doing that. The Jets have had two really good runs since Woody Johnson bought the team. They were good from 2000 to 2004 because Al Groh and Bill Parcells made 3 very good 1st round choices in 2000 with JAbe, Chad and Shaun Ellis. They also had two great free agent acquisitions made in 1998 in Curtis Martin and Kevin Mawae, one a Hall of Famer and the other on the bubble for the Hall. They had a bunch of really good players drafted later in the draft from 1997 to 2000, including Jason Ferguson, Jason Fabini, Randy Thomas and Laveranues Coles. They had a bunch of players from earlier drafts that came through for the Jets in their prime including Mo Lewis, Marvin Jones, Aaron Glenn and Richie Anderson. They had several undrafted free agents that they developed into good players in Kerry Jenkins, Victor Green and Wayne Chrebet. The veteran free agents signed included quality starters like Jumbo Elliot and Vinny Testaverde. They were good from 2008 to 2010 because Woody Johnson chose to pay top dollar for free agents to fill holes that the poor drafting had opened up. Personnel management has been just abysmal except in short bursts since Groh and Parcells left town. Herm did well with the old crew and then they got old and hurt and the team declined. Since 2001 the Jets have drafted just 4 players good enough to go to multiple Pro Bowls. Not All-Pros, just Pro Bowls. Jonathan Vilma, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Nick Mangold and Darrelle Revis. They haven't drafted a player good enough to do that for 5 drafts now (leaving out 2013 and later because not enough time has elapsed to let it happen although it's pretty clear that Mo Wilks, drafted in 2011, will get there if he stays healthy and Sheldon Richardson has a shot too.) The Jets need a scouting department that finds great players. It's too early to evaluate 2013 and 2014 yet but it's pretty clear the Jets didn't bring in a huge influx of talent through the draft in those years. We're better off than we were after the 2007 to 2010 drafts but that's because we might actually have some survivors who come through down the road, just like the Jets deep drafts of the early to mid 90's finally helped the team out in the late 90's and early 00's. BTW, I like the job John Idzik is doing so far. He's making hard decisions that will set the Jets up if they can just find the talent that comes out of the draft every year. We need to be one of the golden teams in the draft, not just an also-ran that finds a gem now and then. We desperately need to find better personnel on offense. You can't build a defense strong enough to overcome the handicap that the Jets offense has become since 2012.
This whole rebuilding crap is just crap there is not such thing in the NFL. This is a parity league and almost every team every year has a chance to make the playoffs and make a run. When you throw away one two three seasons to "rebuild" the other staples on your roster get old Mangold and Brick for instance. The jets had a great chance to build a competitive team this season with 12 draft picks and a boat load of draft picks. Wherever the blame lies they did neither. The FA signings did not say rebuild Vick, Chris Johnson (why the hell would you sign him?). It is obviuos now Vick was brought in as a Mentor not to push Geno Aka Brunell. This team signs a corner and and someone like Jackson the season looks totally different. There is really No reason why Cro is not a Jet and we could have had Revis back on a one year deal. Those moves alone solidify our defense Desean makes Decker and Kerly better the Jets are a pretty good team. Now we expect Ryan to perform miracles with a bad roster top that off with some bad injuries.
