Well, Favre chose to retire. And then attempt to come back. Whether their not taking him was right or wrong, that situation is different than Chad and the Jets since the decision to bring in Favre, effectively requiring that Chad be waived, was all on the FO.
They never liked Favre years ago, well before he was wishy washy about retirement. That just made it easier for them not to like him. Don't get me wrong, he has his fair share of Favre lovers, but I think the majority doesn't like him. They are just scared to talk shit because they might run off their mouths to a Favre lover. Some of the Favre lovers are fucking straight up punch you in the face crazy.
I agree with all of this. I liked Favre when he first came up but in recent years I was tired of hearing about him and also thought he was overrated. That's why I didn't want him here at first, it wasn't about Pennington, although I was a big fan of his. Like you I've gained a new respect for Favre since he's been here because, like you said, he came here in the first place, and also the way he's carried himself since he's been here. Regarding Pennington, most of what you see on here dates back to when he was here, as far as the people who were supportive and the people who hated him. Him going to the Dolphins just added a new twist to all of that, because they and the Patriots are our most hated teams. The people who claim to hate him now that he's a Dolphin also hated him when he was on the Jets. But like you said, both guys have proven they can win in the NFL and if you've been a fan of a team for any length of time that didn't have a guy who can win, you appreciate a guy who can. At least you should. I'm surprised the Vikings didn't move to get Chad when it became apparent they weren't going to get Favre.
ummm, vilma has 104 tackles, 2 ff and an int and can cover TEs. i'll take that over chad or drob the way our d has been playing.
" I can't believe that the Jets are 8-5, your pass defense is god-awful, your o-line is not that good (Favre throws 2 yard passes in like a second, I would hope he is not getting sacked). When the receivers catch the ball it seems like they have a defender riding on their backs. Your touchdown drives (except for when Washington breaks a big one) revolve around being perfect, and converting like 4-5 3rd downs in a row." Yup.
Its worth noting that anytime the C-word appears in a Jets thread the collective intelligence of the posters gets halved. The only guy here making sense is a Vikings fan.
The bottome line is that Favre's performance this year is not very different from Pennington's past years with the Jets. Other than the Arizona and New England games, we have seen quite a bit of 23 of 32 for 150 yards with the same number of picks as TDs. We have seen a QB who has not made the difference for this team. The knock on Pennington was that he couldn't put the team on his shoulders and win a game when the Jets needed it. Favre has not done that either and has actually come up small in some big games this year. Moreover, Favre has a better team this year than Pennington has had in the past. The Jets have a running game and a run defense, which both have been missing for years. What this means, at least to me, is that Pennington got blame over the years that he didn't deserve. It was not the QB's fault, despite the hundreds of posts that blamed him for everything that went wrong from 2003 on. While it is true that Pennnington is no longer a Jet, his role in bringing a division foe and arch rival to what looks like a season ending battle for the playoffs is a story. So is his role in taking a 1-15 team to 8-5. If you don't think the media will play that up or that it is not important, if not ironic, that Pennington's Dolphins could battle the Jets for the division title in week 17, you are in a state of denial. Favre and Pennington will forever be inextricably linked, if only for the way Favre was brought in and Pennington released only to go to a division foe. Comparing Pennington to Favre is no different than the endless arguments on this board and elsewhere about how the Jets would have been different if they had drafted player X instead of player Y. As for this year's Jets, if anybody thinks this is a Super Bowl team, think again. This Jet team has the same ceiling that the Pennington playoff had - a win in the playoffs and then an exit before the Super Bowl. It also seems to me that Jet fans seem to think that merely making the playoffs with Favre makes the season a success, while the Jet playoff seasons of 04 and 06 were seen as failures. In sum, the Jet offense I am watching this year looks the same as the Jet offense with Pennington from 03-07. That, along with Pennington's success thus far, makes it legitimate to question whether the Favre move was worth the cost of losing a draft pick plus a younger QB (to a division rival). We'll see over the next three games and the off season whether the move was a good one or not. As of today, it is not clear.
I am very glad that we got Chad, because he has made a huge difference for our team. He came in and gave our team leadership that we haven't had since Dan retired. I think new scenery for him was good. He has also been very good to build confidence with our WR's, and they understand he is trying to get the best out of them. We had Zach on defense all these years, but we never had that mentality from the QB position until this year, besides Dan.
I'm really glad to hear Vilma has had a bounce back season. He's good people. I like favre, and though i was not CP's biggest fan, i never hated on him. I like to root for all the players and not hate any of them. coaches are another story. LOL
We had a much better running attack in 04 a better overall OL and a better D a true game breaker at WR and Pennington was 8 and 5 with that team. Our D this year is not one bit better than last years and arguably worse certainly statistically worse than in 06 or 05. Favre is clearly old and not nearly as decisive with the ball and seems to have no touch at all on the deep ball. I agree a faded Favre looks a lot like Pennington the last few years the big difference is at least in the short passing game he gets the ball into tighter spots. Another thing that is clear, Coles has severly declined. He shows glimpses of being very good but his inconsistency may well be the result of age and concussions. He probably has days where he just can't get the motor running. His days as a consistent quality WR are over. He is now a situational player for the most part. It does appear that they do have one thing in common, they both weren't wanted by their teams and both ended up on the only teams that would pay the price for their rental for a year or two. The plus to Favre is he absolutly won't be here in another year or two. Pennington could hang on for 3 or 4 years. The Jets by making this move have to develop a real QB of their own now and its about time.
This is the factor that made me convinced that getting Chad out of town was pure, unsullied upside - His ceiling on talent and production, still evident despite the Miami improvement, will remain and probably go lower as his career fades. Meanwhile he would have been in the way of the development of a long term answer at Qb, as he was for much of last year. Signing Favre not only gave the Jets cover to get rid of Chad, as was mentioned again yesterday. It also bought some time for finding a longer term replacement at Qb, while providing crystal clarity on the timetable, a clarity we would not have had with Chad. The only question mark is whether he comes back next year, and of course that is huge. But the need to draft a Qb is, I think, clear, and depending on availability even a high pick should be used. No doubt that discussion will be a large one in the upcoming off season, but for now it is a relevant factor in looking back to the decisions of this past August.
The plain simple truth is instead of sucking it up and finding our qb of the future the team tried a shot at the dark chance to get hot and do what the giants did last year. The problem is they had the talent in place for that and we don't. Until we take a step back and do it right we will be in this mess forever. We have to REBUILD not RETOOL for yet another one and done playoff appearance if that. Farve still has magic from time to time but for five games in Jan. I doubt it.
Favre versus Pennington No one has started the obligatory thread this week so I thought I'd get the ball rolling. :breakdance:
