In terms of what needs to be improved, the mental aspect, knowing the playbook, reading defenses, is not what I am personally worried about with Hack. It was and will always be his mechanics and confidence. Dude is smart, what has plagued him is a change in his mechanics, and getting his ass kicked behind a bad o-line.
Yep. For anyone who hasn't seen this video, I suggest you do. Essentially, the primary thing I got out of the video is that Hackenberg's mental ability to grasp NFL offenses, and understanding defensive formations or where pressure will be coming from is not going to be the problem. The way I see it, Hack is a huge boom or bust pick. If he booms he could become one of the best QB's in the NFL with his arm and stature. Paired with the mental capability to diagnose what's going on on the field is there, what's not there and what is currently plaguing him is the lack of confidence and not believing in core mechanics.
we are going to go into next season with Petty and Hack as the potential starters with no in-season game film to evaluate on either. this is a TERRIBLE idea. You need to evaluate the young QBs against full time NFL defenses that are playing for something. Not a bunch of scrubs in the pre-season that will be cut the following weekend. Bench Fitz and give games to Petty and 3 to Hack and see what they can do and if they have any redeeming qualities that would make the FO/CS think that they can be THE GUY next season
You guys crack me up! "It's very important that our coaching staff properly evaluate these young QBs so they know what we have at the position for next year, and it's very important that these QBs get as many reps as possible in practice." Also: "It's very important that our owner fire this coaching staff and bring in a totally different culture, particularly on offense for next year."
It's not "babying" the QBs, at least not with Hack. It's being smart so hopefully he will develop into our franchise QB. Hack took a horrible beating at PSU his last two years and his confidence took a hit. He has fundamentals issues to resolve/fix. If they played him now behind our OL and with his accuracy issues, it would guarantee that the rest of his confidence would be shot and he would be a bust. Conversely, if they let him sit this year, overhaul his mechanics/fundamentals over the offseason, fix the OL, then give him a ton of reps in OTAs, TC, and preseason games next season, they could really have something. It was a calculated gamble on a smart player with a ton of talent, strong arm, who had everything going for him except accuracy. Petty, they should definitely be playing. The only issues with Petty was his learning the Jets' offense and learning to go through progressions/read the D. Petty's smart and supposedly a hard worker, so a year-and-a-half into his NFL career, he knows the offense well enough to play. He'd undoubtedly have known it better if he had been given more snaps this season, but no, they had to bring Fitz back. I think that Petty has already demonstrated that he can read the Ds as well as Fitz can. There's no reason why Petty shouldn't be out there.
While I agree with you that there is no substitute for real live game action & that learning on the job has its positives, --- we’ve seen the coin’s flipside ----- the failures with Sanchez & Geno in which we rushed them as starters in their very first pro games & some of their mistakes/errors just never got fixed.
Let me clarify. I;m speaking more if a guy who is ready to play, not a "project" guy Like Hackenburg who apparently needs to have his mechanics fixed. How you can draft a guy in the 2nd round who is that much of a project is puzzling, but a subject for another time. But a guy like Petty, who has even more actual experience than a Dak Prescott, needs to be out there on the field learning OTJ. If he's the "real deal" he'll succeed, if not we'll soon find out. That's how Namath, Marino, Elway, et. al. all learned. And again, why is it okay to allow a HC to "learn on the job", but not a QB?
Well with Sanchez, he actually did pretty well, as long as he had good talent around him, but then some of it retired, some of it got hurt, and some of it was left to walk away as "cost saving" measures, and none of it was replaced, again, in large part due to monetary concerns. Had he been supported with talent as he was in the beginning, we might've already had our 2nd or 3rd SB. As for Geno, who knows? He didn't have the supporting cast, or coaches that could employ his best skills. Frankly. if he wasn't hurt, I'd ratehr see him in there over Fitzpatrick at this point.
you don't throw Hackenberg out there because of your last sentence "see what they've got, and if they don't have it, get someone else." Because that's exactly what would happen. Hackenberg would fail miserably this year because he's too raw. He looked terrible in the final preseason game against guys that will be bagging groceries this holiday season. Teams aren't patient like they were in the 80s, especially here in NY, I don't think we were ever patient. Playing him is setting yourself up for failure. Let him learn in practice for once! this damn organization always does what you describe and they always fuck it up. For once, lets at least try to foster the growth of a raw young QB.
First you say rebuild the offensive line, and on the other hand you say spend the Jets top 10 pick on a wide receiver which isn't a position of need. In fact I'd say the Jets are set up nicely for the future at wide receiver. If the Jets don't go for an offensive tackle I could see them drafting Leonard Fournette.
Right on point sir and reverting back to old habits when under pressure, I think that lies with confidence as well. The coaching staff hopefully knows what Hack does best on the field and makes changes to the offense to fit his skill-set. With Hack, the play-action can be deadly for opposing offenses, when you have Q, Devin Smith and Anderson flying down the field. It's been a lost art really since Fitz has been here. He's definitely got the talent to be a special QB in this league.
The key thing going into 2017 is to sure up the o-line and also make our running game lethal. If we are at 5 and Leonard Fournette or Dalvin Cooke are on the board, I would certainly be ok with drafting either or. Both are special talents. I would also make sure to retain Wesley Johnson, Brian Winters, Mangold, Ijalana...After that, try to find someone to replace Breno, and if there are any good Olinemen worth taking in the draft, pick them. The cowboys are winning right now because they have the best o-line in the league and Zeke is a beast at RB. Good run game and good o-line can make a QB's life a lot less stressful. We did that with Sanchez too
I've watched that video before.The best part is how ballsy Hack is. Jawing at his coaches. Nice! Our coaches need to be yelled at.
Thanks for the clarification. We are in agreement. Hack was a gamble. Normally, one wouldn't think of taking a project in the 2nd round. Following is why I think Mac did. I think Woody mandated that the team had to win now and make the playoffs soon. Hence no rebuilds. With the team winning 10 games last season, I don't think anyone could have foreseen that things would have completely fallen apart this season. They couldn't have seen the injuries, Revis's play totally sucking, Wilkerson not recovering from the injury and the attitude problems continuing (he had never been a problem until last year). He thought Mauldin and some of the other young players would step up and contribute. He couldn't have foreseen that Bowles would not have learned/improved from last season. He couldn't have foreseen that Bowles would play Richardson at OLB and everywhere but where he should play, and/or that Bowles would run a 4-3 more than a 3-4 alignment, thus keeping Mauldin off the field. I think that Mac would have been willing to let Fitz walk or maybe bring him back at a decent rate, but Woody pressured or ordered Mac to re-sign Fitz (either because of Bowles or Woody is just that stupid). Thus, I think Mac thought that the team would be drafting somewhere in the mid-teens to perhaps mid-twenties or lower every season for the foreseeable future, and wouldn't have a good chance to get a QB if Petty didn't develop without trading the ranch to move up. He couldn't put all his eggs in Petty's basket. He was only a 4th round pick. Thus Mac had to gamble a bit. Dak was not that highly rated. I had seen him play several times and never thought he would have ever played like he has in the NFL, especially not during his rookie season. In Hack he saw a QB who had everything except the right fundamentals/footwork that was affecting his accuracy. He thought if they could fix Hack's fundamentals, they'd have a great chance of having found their future QB, and still would have gotten him at great value. I agree with your question. In typical Jets fashion, they have it backwards. The HC should NOT be learning on the job, but the young QBs should be.
I wasn't really talking about a guy like Hackenburg who is a "project". I'm talking about Petty, who has more actual experience than Dak Prescott, but is still "learning". If that's really true, then we desperately need to get another QB.
After watching that video, I'm really pumped to see him play. He looks exceptionally smart on the field, will have less of a learning curve, and if he's not running for his life he could be a top flight passer. If you haven't watched this video you definitely should to understand how bad the line was, how bad the receivers were running routes, how many dropped passes he had, AND, most of all, how he was able to correctly identify the blitzes and got defenses to show their hand with a well placed hard count.
The video also accurately portrays what we've all suspected in Hack's shortcomings and that is sometimes his foot work is extremely lazy and if you go back to his play during the preseason you can see that sometimes his footwork was fine whilst other times his footwork was atrocious. Nonetheless, Hack's mental abilities are outstanding and way ahead of the curve for most collegiate QB's coming into the NFL. Right now his mechanics are what will determine how his NFL career becomes. Jets need to do all they can in making him confident in his core mechanics learned under Bill O'Brien.
I pray Hackenberg takes over this offseason and wins the job with ease in 2017. That is the best case scenario for the Jets.
