The thing that is blowing my mind right now is this: Key Jets 30 or over: Nick Mangold, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, Brandon Marshall, David Harris, Darrelle Revis. Key Pats 30 or over: Tom Brady, Rob Ninkovich. That's a scary list to look at and that's true even though Tom Brady is the most important player on the Pats. Bill Belichik's solution to over 30 last year was trading Logan Mankins, an All-Pro LG who had just turned 31. For that he won a Super Bowl. The Jets solution to over 30 this year has been signing David Harris and Darrelle Revis.
Last year the Jets were older than the Patriots by 0.09 years old on average: http://mobile.philly.com/blogs/?wss=/philly/blogs/red_zone/&id=273334591 Getting younger is important and that is accomplished via success in the draft, not free agency. Youth in and of itself does not cause talent. Further, one of the Patriots 30+ year olds, Brady, is the single most important reason the Patriots stay as competitive as they do. Nothing the Jets have done so far mortgages their ability to grow through the draft. Further, if the Jets wanted to move a player for a draft pick, the most likely candidate at this point is Wilkerson. The Jets don't have a Mankins. The Jets also don't have the flexibility that the Patriots have because of the dearth of talent. The moves done so far are a stimulant to move the program forward. Staying put as perennial losers does nothing to help the team get better. See Jacksonville.
I watched plenty of football last year, which is why I came to the conclusion that Carr and Teddy played OK. Way WAY too soon to tell if they will develop into franchise QB's. Rick Mirer looked good as a rookie, too. You act like these two were some Andrew Luck sure-fire prospects. Even if they turn out to be great, there was still nothing in the draft that screamed for the Jets to take them. I'll check back with you in 5 years and we'll see where these guys are. You cannot bash Idzik for passing on these guys. Well you could, but it wouldn't be smart.
This is why we need to draft OL early. There's a lot of cap space to be freed up via D'Brick's and Mangold's contracts. We should be adding the heir apparent to at least one of them.
He won a SB b/c he had a HOF QB and a HOF CB, both of whom made everyone else on that team better. He certainly didn't win it by trading Mankins. You simply cannot compare how the two franchises operate because the Pats have a Brady and we do not. When your QB play elevates THE ENTIRE TEAM, it gives you ridiculous flexibility. Your margin for error is enormous. How else do you explain the Pats going to SB's even when they kept sucking at the draft? Belichick can do whatever dumb ass moves he likes to do b/c Brady will just cover for it anyway.
WTF is with everyone and this red herring about Andrew Luck sure-fire prospects? Not every great QB has to fit the Luck mold. Both of these guys showed incredible smarts and skills on awful awful teams and these franchises are going to BUILD around them. Had we picked either of them we'd be set at QB and we'd be looking elsewhere to build a winner rather than looking for stopgaps and jags and worrying about folks trading up to take the next great QB prospects. I can and absolutely will bash Idzik and come see me in 5 years and I'll show you how smart you weren't. _
You're gonna show smart I weren't? Ha, that's funny. Yeah I seriously doubt that. Geno won 8 games with a roster that many people (including Jets fans) thought would only win 2. Even though his numbers were not great he had shown enough to warrant going foward with him another year with added pieces and another year in MM's system. Therefore there was NO GLARING NEED to go QB in last years draft, UNLESS there was a can't miss prospect (which is why I brought that up). If you had any sense of hindsight you would have remembered this. Besides, it doesn't matter b/c if Mariotta ends up here, he will be better than Teddy and Carr. Incredible smarts and skills...LOL! Thank God you're not a scout for the Jets.
Qb is always a gamble in the draft.. Hindsight he's correct we should have taken another qb, but you are correct even though the jets were the luckiest team ever to go 8/8, geno did show promise the last 4 games and looked ok until after the gb game. I don't know what happened to him, he went from having promise to a guy that hopefully doesn't throw another pass for the jets... Head scratcher
It was all said by me with foresight BEFORE the 2013 draft. I saw Geno plenty in college and his production was a mirage and he was always a dope. There was a MASSIVE need and two superior talents to Geno just sitting there and that douchebag Idzik couldn't admit his mistake. As a second round pick he didn't show shit to warrant passing on Teddy or Carr. Fuck Idzik with a pineapple. _
Another guy trotting out this myth. He DIDN'T show promise, he just didn't suck as much as he had earlier in the year. Marty dumbed down the playbook even more so Geno could concentrate on protecting the ball--which is the only thing he did better. 57% completion rate and under 199 yards per game on 6.6 Y/A those last 4 games. That's not promise--that's low level mediocrity. _
Simmer down. Lol I'm not Fan of geno, dumb down the playbook, whatever they did. it looked like he was gonna be able to play. Now,nit seems like no matter what they did with him he can't play. It's whyni hate drafting a qb. Most of them don't work out as expected.
That's not mediocrity, that's the norm for a rookie QB playing on a talent-deficient roster. He had 5 game winning drives in 2013, and won games against playoff teams like NO and NE. He showed poise in those games and while he also showed some bad QB play, the thinking was that he showed enough to move forward and try to improve the rest of the team. Derek Carr, for all the praise you heaped on him, won 2 games with a roster like the one Geno won 8 games with. In 2014, he actually improved in many areas, but still lacked consistency. Now, you don't put all your bets on Geno for 2014 but if he does end up starting Week 1, he might not be as bad as you think.
Wow, I do believe we have a Geno apologist here. Carr was better in his ROOKIE season on a WORSE team than Geno was in his SECOND season on a BETTER team. Let's not even mention Geno's rookie season. Yes, Geno improved SO much he got benched for putting up a zero point zero. _
I think Revis is 29, but he will be 30. Now I hate giving CBs money like that but they did. The thing about Revis is he is the most scientific, if you can call it that, CB I have ever seen. He does not physically overpower the position though he is physical. He is extremely cerebral and in marvelous shape. Healthy, I think he can be good for 3-4 years. I did not want Harris back. Too much money for a 2 downer. Centers can hang around too.
I think Revis is 29, but he will be 30 this year. Now I hate giving CBs money like that but they did. The thing about Revis is he is the most scientific, if you can call it that, CB I have ever seen. He does not physically overpower the position though he is physical. He is extremely cerebral and in marvelous shape. Healthy, I think he can be good for 3-4 years. I did not want Harris back. Too much money for a 2 downer. Centers can hang around too. If they don't mind winding up like Jim Otto
The Jets do have a Mankins on the roster currently. We're just too invested in him being a better player than he actually is to see it. We're also too scarce on talent to move him along at this point. It's kind of a vicious cycle.
Wow I do believe we have a Carr/Bridgewater apologist here. BTW I call it like I see it. Carr put up better numbers but not more wins. Look, I like the kid and I said he did OK. He's not Marino or Big Ben or even Russell Wilson, how about seeing if he can consistently put up good numbers for a few seasons before we start lamenting missing him in the draft, mmkay? Same with Bridgewater. If Geno starts Week 1, you better hope all your bashing of him is wrong.
Are we really trying to give idzik credit? Lol it reminds me of when I was a little kid, I made a great save while play soccer... That happened cause I tripped fell and the ball hit me in the face...nthanks how I feel about thanking idzik for anything the jets are doing now.
