Giving Credit Where Credit Is Due

Discussion in 'New York Jets' started by MikeSLTJ23, Mar 11, 2015.

  1. Charlie Kelly

    Charlie Kelly Well-Known Member

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    Great job, ball face
     
  2. legler82

    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    This!
     
  3. BrowningNagle

    BrowningNagle Well-Known Member

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    This post is just insane. I understand you are upset about the Revis acquisition but do you read the shit you are spewing? Just because the Patriots won a SB doesn't mean you can draw a correlation between that and everything! holy shit.. they were rewarded with a SB because they may have a strict adherence to not signing veterans? they were rewarded with a Super Bowl because they traded away a guard? please don't tell me you are really trying to make either of those arguments...

    They won a SB with our newly acquired CB by the way, something they chased for 10 years despite having the best QB in the game. A player Belichick fought hard to come back and loved by the way.

    Belichick didn't trade Mankins because he was "over 30" he traded him because he was a fucking guard, an expensive guard. A position you don't want to put a large amount of resources in, smartly.. Truth be told, he probably traded him to open up resources because he knew he wanted to keep guys like Revis!!!

    The Jets and the Patriots last year were both middle of the pack teams in terms of average age Patriots 11, Jets 13... they are both traditionally middle of the pack

    Lastly, and perhaps the most insane, the players you mention for the Jets are all barely 30... as in 31 or below. Are you kidding me right now? Thats prime for most players. They aren't investing in 17 year vets on their way out, these guys all easily have 3-5 years of solid play.
     
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  4. James Hasty

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    You forgot Billicheck, he is well over 30.
     
  5. legler82

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    So the guy who engineered several playoff berths including 2 runs to AFCCG runs is the villain while the guy who constructed one of the worst Jets rosters in a decade is the hero in this film?
     
  6. klecko73

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    The problem for the Jets is that they don't have a franchise QB. The Patriots do and it covers all sorts of ills on that team. Switch QBs and it is a hugely different story. It impacts so much more than just FA. Having a franchise QB impacts everything from how you draft to the salary cap and FA.

    Plus you haven't taken into account how these players impact the Jets salary cap. Essentially all of these contracts are 2-3 year contracts. Mangold can be cut in 2016 with no cap hit and $8.6 million savings. Marshall can be cut as well with no cap hit and $8.1 million savings. In 2017 Ferguson can be cut with a $1.2 million cap hit and $13 million in cap savings. Revis can be cut in 2018 with no cap hit and $11 million in savings.

    The Jets have to meet the 4-year rolling cap floor and these short term contracts are essentially the perfect way to do it. You talk as if this is all done in a vacuum yet never offer an alternative solution. Until the QB issue is fixed this is at best an 8-win team. At least they will be competitive and give time for the GM and the coach to build a program and develop younger talent. I guess the other option is tanking every year until you get a franchise QB in the draft but sure bets don't come around very often.
     
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  7. legler82

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    LOL...It's like being a NBA GM wanting to forfeit your draft because there is no prospect like LeBron in the draft.
     
  8. JetsVilma28

    JetsVilma28 Well-Known Member

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    So the guy that dumps the team into cap hell with ridiculous contracts to Wayne hunter, santonio Holmes, Mark Sanchez is an "engineer" but the guy who freed the Jets from cap hell is "one of the worst." Got it
     
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    don't forget there are games on sundays in the fall. this isn't an investment portfolio
     
  10. legler82

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    So cutting guys that everyone knew were going to and should get cut was "freeing" us from this hell? IMO if you can cut 3-5 average, at best, players and instantly escape "Cap Hell", then it's not much of a hell. Imagine if getting out of the real hell was that easy? There'd be no real incentive to follow the straight and narrow as a mortal.
     
  11. JetsVilma28

    JetsVilma28 Well-Known Member

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    Contracts that forced the hand on Revis in the first place.
     
  12. legler82

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    Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo?
     
  13. JetsVilma28

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    We had to trade our future hall of fame corner...
     
  14. JStokes

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    Neither Teddy nor Carr are stinking up my franchise so I have nothing to be apologetic for.

    Teddy and Carr are superior talents to Geno and their football IQs dwarf Geno's.

    And what's with the "mmkay"? Sounds stupid.

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    It's like a bunch of kids have latched onto this red herring hoping to convince the rest of us that a WR would be better than betting on a potential franchise QB not named Luck or Peyton.

    HE'S NOT A SURE THING!!!!!!!!!!

    So stupid.

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  16. Charlie Kelly

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    I'd go in for Mariota or Winston but if the one we got busted then we'd be in for another gigantic dick slap considering our history with QBs. I'm not saying you don't take the QB but I understand the fears of people that only want to draft a sure thing like Luck.
     
  17. BrowningNagle

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    I think people are just gun shy with high profile QB prospects now after Sanchez, a Smith...exhausted from the growing pains of rookie/young QBs
     
  18. JStokes

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    I don't think either of those two guys (and I'm a Sanchez fan) were ever the prospect or talent of Mariota.

    And there isn't one MM fan here who wants to see him on the field before week 13 or 14 and only if we're out of the hunt.

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  19. JStokes

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    The only issue with that is, if Luck is the criteria, we may not see that guy for 8-10 years and then we'd miraculously have to have the number 1 pick exactly 8-10 years from now to get him. And if we have the number 1 pick 9 years from now, we get nothing.

    Or roll the dice at 6 now on a very very good player.

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  20. JoeyStylez

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    You should know all about stupid. You took my premise and took it to a whole other unrelated level. I'll repeat it slowly so you can comprehend it.

    I would have had no problem if the Jets had taken Carr/Bridgewater. My point is the Jets had no screaming need to take either of them b/c the glaring need was WR. The idea of going with the young QB who weathered an up and down season was not a bad one, and it was a realistic expectation that he would improve. The Jets rolled the dice and came up snakes eyes. They gambled and lost, but that doesn't make you some draft savant who knew better. You do realize it is entirely possible that both your wonder boys will regress in their second season, right? Just like it's possible Geno will become a better QB. Don't tell me sh*t like "He won't!" If you know the future so well, play the f*cking lottery.

    Carr and Teddy are not franchise QB's, regardless of what fantasy land you live in. That's a fact, pal. Whether they reach that point is something only time will tell. For now, I hope Geno starts week 1 just to see you with a sick look on your face
     

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