Idzik found the job appealing because quite honestly he probably couldn't believe he was getting the opportunity. No one will ever hire him as a gm again, he wasn't qualified when woody hired him, and after this catastrophic train wreck of a job he did here. He will never even be a candidate again. Lol
Again, I am not a Geno Smith fan. He is terrible. how exactly is he my "hero" Second, it is abundantly clear you either dont know what a red herring is, or are purposely being combative about it Who advocated liking a "dumb QB" you post alot of good stuff, but you also too often let nonsense get in the way of a good discussion
I can only go by what he said and the timeline of events.... But to say you are onboard one day, then fire the guy the next seems disinegenuis. that goes for woodys treatment of both rex and idzik. it is not a wild statement to point out how Woodys decisions have long been motivated by media pressure and fan perception.
I will not flame you, because I think JI was working within the framework of the asylum that Woodrow put into place. We will never know if JI wanted to clean house and was told no by Woodrow. I'm not defending Idzik, as I think he was not ready to be thrust into that kind of atmosphere and it showed, but I believe that no GM could succeed with the Jets under the old FO and HC and scouting department, it was dysfunctional and the downward spiral the team was in for the past couple of years befor the 4-12 season was proof, we as fans just refused to accept it as we are always hopeful that the team could get it turned around. But Big Mac is getting the benefits of a new approach that Woody was encouraged to implement by his consultants, Wolf and Casserly, which is to allow the GM to run the show, and it has already paid dividends. I believe the draft will be good as well, just based on how the offseason has been handled. As far as JI, it's the past and it's time to move on.
It IS a wild statement that has not been corroborated by anything you've posted...or that I can corroborate. I think Woody has made some bad decisions: mostly in keeping long-standing failures in important positions. But, in this case, I think he made the absolute correct decision by firing Idzik. The Jets had virtually the same deficiencies (if you looked at units as a whole: OL, secondary, WR) two years after Idzik was given the helm. The record was worse. The non-Richardson picks, especially at WR, were underwhelming to say the least. And his negotiating skills and talent judgment was not what I would say met the requirements of being a good GM. Then there was the reported issues of secrecy and whatever else. This guy had the opportunity to win and he punted. Was he given a ton of time to show more? no. But, apparently, what he showed to his boss was enough for Woody to fire everyone, including people like Bradway, who had been there forever. Already, the stink is being lifted. Idzik was part of that stink.
I posted the mans direct words. a direct quote. im not really sure what else i can go on. i cant read the dudes mind. whether he meant or not, he clearly stated it. 1) what exactly did he have an opportunity to win? Regardless of who we added, we werent winning much with Geno. 2) He punted because he thought he had this year to work with. and getting a top 5-10 pick was more beneficial then another 7-9 win season.
I'm not going to flame you but I'd like you to look at what he did just last year. It is absolutely clear that Idzik thought he could throw Rex under the bus and get him fired and then he would have all this money to spend. We have brought back Revis and have thought long and hard about bringing back Cromartie. Guess what? Both of them were available as free agents last year. Cromartie could have been had last year for almost nothing and I bet coming off the knee and a not great season in Tampa Bay we could have paid less to Revis than we did. As for receivers, Emmanuel Sanders wanted to come here but Idzik was too busy to meet with him. After he got Decker, he was done. He passed on Bryant who was taken AFTER two of our 4th round picks. Then he goes out and does the "blockbuster" trade for Harvin. First, no matter how much you liked him were you really going to keep him at 10.5 million for 2015? NFW. All you did was give Seattle and extra 6th round pick by renting a player for 8 weeks. He let Austin Howard go to the Raiders and then had to scramble to find penalty prone Breno Giacomini. It is probably a wash but Howard is younger and has more upside. This year, we give 2nd round tenders to some of our restricted FA, sign Powell and sign Harris, a player people thought was a sure goner. A good GM keeps the secondary parts and supporting parts in place and surrounds them with a few superstars. There were players last year that could have helped the team and allowed Rex to make a go at the playoffs. Idzik was not interested in that because he wanted his man in place. There's a reason he is back counting pennies in Jax.
I'm going to end this thread right here...Fuck Idzik. He didn't have chicken scratch to work with last year either. He may not have had the epic load of cash the Macc had this year but he had a SHIT LOAD of cash last year and chose not to spend a god damn dime of it anywhere NEAR the secondary. So you can flush that Idzik bullshit right here and now.
Um, HE drafted him. So, clearly, if you subscribe to the belief that Geno--and not the lack of targets and poor pass blocking OL--was responsible for the ineffective offense, it STILL rests on Idzik, who drafted hm. So, he punted, knowing that the HC was in a "win now" mode to save his job, the HC that owner insisted he retain. Clearly, this was not an accurate assessment of his position's certainty. I guess I can only say that I'm very, very happy that Idzik is no longer in charge of the Jets. You can cite all the individual 'successes' you want or how "he got a raw deal" but from my seat, the Jets made absolutely the right choice in letting him go. Hey, I was all about the notion of a rebuild WHEN HE STARTED. And, sure cap room is nice. But, for me, his absolute failure to provide the Jets with a quality product last year was unacceptable. The Jets didn't need to have Revis. But they certainly should have fielded a team that had a credible secondary. And, after two offseasons, to not have a quality OL or WR corps, it just wasn't working for me. And, it would have been one thing if a proven GM offered the Jets product of the last two years. Cause, if you have experience, if you have a track record, you buy that kind of time and leeway. But he didn't have a track record. The Jets were trending down. And he had a very poor offseason--Patterson leaving (after low balling other quality DBs), the WR fiasco (how many were chosen and only ONE had a catch--the most expensive one). Really, the overall feeling of failure and despair that permeated the Jets under Idzik was enough to say "adios muchacho!!" You can point to individual moves that didnt' absolutely suck. But when I looked at the team overall, and the likelihood of him making it substantially better, I just didn't see it. Nor did Woody, thank god.
Idzik would have been forced to spend to meet the cap floor. I would have been interested to see how he did it (i.e. see his plan through). I have little faith that it would have been good, but it is a question that we'll never have the answer to. Thank him for the cap space and move on with Maccagnan.
i'm happy Idzik isnt the GM either. the difference is, I can acknowledge that he wasnt horrible in every single aspect, which has been said here by many. It is fact and not opinion that we had 50M in cap room and the #6 pick because of idzik. and Mac is in a great spot because idzik punted on last season. plain and simple. the rest i dont disagree with. terrible at drafting. not thrilled with his choice in personel (wasnt high on decker, hated amaro). but that doesnt mean he didnt put us in a great spot to build this team again.... which is what this thread was all about in the first place. for me, im happy.... I was saying from day 1 last year the 8-8 season prior was fools gold and we sucked. im glad we punted. i got the cap space, i got the high pick, and on top of it i got a new GM. only thing that upset me was rex going, but ill live i like bowles too
I know exactly what a red herring is and you've trotted out like so many others that don't like the player or are sitting on Cooper and just don't want to admit it. The whole Andrew Luck sure thing criteria is such nonsense. _
He didn't spend it in a year where the secondary FAs were shitty and the Jets were not in a great position to improve their team with that free agent crop. If he spends it last year, chances are it's on guys like DRC who are overpaid. You can say he could have gotten Revis back (who knows if that's true last year) and Cro. Both had incredible resurgences to their career last season. So yes, maybe we could have gotten those two guys, but they would have been bigger risks. Hell, we can all be really excited by having them both back after those resurgent years, but let's not pretend like they came cheaply. It has all the potential in the world to blow up in our face if we were to find out that last year was just both of their last hurrahs before riding off into the sunset. Not saying that's going to happen, but it's easy to throw big money at big-time FAs when you have lots of cash.
I don't think there's any proof he was trying to railroad Ryan, and I think it's a relatively outlandish concept, but I guess it's conceivable. I stated in my previous post about Revis and Cromartie. Hindsight is 20/20 and they had resurgent years, no doubt. Now we just paid big money for those years. Both their seasons were at least mildly surprising. I don't recall the Emmanuel Sanders fiasco as you describe it. I still don't see the Bryant hype. He scored a bunch of TDs on a team with a significantly better QB. Any WR would suck on the Jets and we'd have called for his head by now. I don't even remember why I supported the Harvin move, but clearly I was either misinformed at the time or stupid. It was a dumb move at the position we were in. I also prefer Howard to Breno. I don't think we were good enough to make a run last year, which is why I supported the idea of not spending big money on a weak FA group. You guys realize I'm not advocating him as a GM, just simply acknowledging that if he wasn't the penny pincher he was last year in FA, this current FA would be a pipe dream for MacCagnan.
Couple of things: 1) "which has been said here by many..." Bullshit!! Many haven't said "he's horrible in every aspect." This is the false argument the Idzik Apologist Society uses when their arguments are debunked. I know that I have said, "he hasn't done much of anything well..." 2) the things you give him credit for doing well, he hasn't. Cap Hell: You mentioned that he had discipline in getting the Jets out of Cap Hell. Well, first of all, the NFL is built so that virtually NO Cap Hell situation lasts longer than it lasted for the Jets, which was arguably two years. So, he didn't really clear the Cap Hell situation more quickly than it would have been cleared by simply letting bad contracts expire. Handling the Cap situation well would be a) clearing out the bad contract dollars more quickly than the two years it took and/or b) clearing the Cap Hell while adding above-JAG talent. All his signings were JAG. And he left quality free agents leave Jets HQ and sign for market rate elsewhere. And the result was that the Jets didn't have depth, didn't have NFL caliber talent on the very same units that were talent deficient before he took over. Drafting: Any idiot can take a 1st round draft choice and come away with a player. So, the Richardson drafting is not really much of a feat is it? Richardson plays on a DL that already had Mo Wilkerson, Coples, Snacks, Ellis. This is a thoroughbred DL. I'm not diminishing Richardson's talent, but he's made better because of who surrounds him. Moreover, people claim that Richardson was obtained BECAUSE Idzik traded Revis. But the fallacy of this logic is that if Revis would have been kept Richardson could still have been chosen: "He was drafted in the first round, with the 13th overall pick, of the 2013 NFL Draft by the New York Jets." So, in reality, Idzik traded Revis for Milliner because, all things being equal, the Jets could have selected Richardson with the 9th pick and still kept the best CB in football, thereby actually improving a unit while not decimating another... WRs: Idzik selected a total of (not totally sure of the number) 7 receivers in the offseason including 3 in the draft. not ONE of the drafted receivers contributed a single catch. This is an egregious waste of both FA and Draft capital as well as coaching time. Overall Drafting: the OGs he drafted, not really that good. The higher draft choice was THE WORST RATED OG IN THE NFL. The CBs he's drafted each had a significant history of injury and, gasp, suffered season-ending injuries. Now, my position is that Bradway sucks and had a hand in those selections. But the buck has to stop with the GM. So, unfortunately for Idzik, he gets a failing grade. Again, your argument that "many" have claimed that he was horrible at everything is not substantiated by any direct quotes. But the notion is not really refuted by the man's actual record as GM: victories trending downward, talent level virtually unchanged, money sitting in pocket when better talent was available, trades made TOO FUCKING LATE.
The Cap room was all thanks to Idzik. Mccagnan hasn't proven anything yet. Yes he's less trigger happy than that dork Tannenbaum. But Idzik would have built us for the long run.
