LOL I was going to use the Cowher comparison, but I figured a bunch of people would jump down my throat accusing me of comparing Mangini to Cowher at this early stage.
That happens, NE lost 31-0 in their opener in 2003 and went on to win the SB. Some teams fly out of the gate and others start slow. I'd rather start slow and finish strong like we did in '98, '01 and '02 then start strong and finish slow like we did in '86, '93 and '00.
This was talked about after the hire. Personally, I will give in three years to get back to the playoffs. Then an additional 2 to make it to the ACF championship game or SB. But during that time I want to see him improving the personal, improved play and gametime management, more stability at the FO, and clear driection for the organization as a whole. If I see this and we make a SB in 3-5 years, he has his ticket punched for however long he wants.
If this team isn't ready for 2008, then he will wear out his welcome. 5-7 wins in 2006, 7-9 wins in 2007, and then the team should be ready by 2008 to make some sort of run.
Usually people turn on a coach en mass when he does something incredibly stupid in a big spot. Joe Walton's QB draw with Ken O'Brien in the midst of the Cleveland meltdown in the 1986 playoffs, which stopped the clock and allowed the Browns time to come back, turned me against him for good. A lot of people lost it with Herm after the kneel-down fiasco in the exact same spot at Pittsburgh in 2004. Granted, both guys had to have some ability to get the team to that spot--less in the case of Walton, he inherited Walt Michaels' team--but to mess it up in that big a game is unforgivable. It's one thing if a guy drops a TD pass or fumbles (1998 AFC title game), but for the coach to give it away in the moment of truth is inexcusable. I think that's when the fans turn.
I'd say that scenarios like this are usually the tip of the iceberg. For me, it's more about consistently making mistake after mistake without showing any kind of improvement and not showing a move in the right direction.
just win some games and i dont care. if you dont win games, well, rot in hell with the rest of the prior jet coaches. nobody friggin knows what is going to happen. hopefully he does well, i dont know.
Agreed. Coaches are human, and like everyone else, will make mistakes. It's a matter of who learns from them, and who repeats them. That's what seperates the upper tier coaches from the lower tier.
I think that most Jets fans will give him a full season before they scream for his head. Even if we start off slow, as long as the players are playing hard and we start to show some improvement as each game goes by... He will be safe for a little while. Then again, if the team starts out flat and continues to play that way, with no improvement, with the same mistakes game in and game out... Then I could seriously see people out with torches and pitchforks by mid season. :wink:
id be very happy if mangini wins us our division title the year after this or the one after. Are the pats on their way down?
I agree with your co-worker. It will take 2 or 3 losses before people start turning on him. The middle of 2007 before the majority of the fan base wants him gone. I disagree with your expectations by the time training camps people will be expecting this team to go the playoffs and many fans will be predicting a super bowl. Fans almost always overestimate expectations. On a side note not sure if anybody caught Mike Davis on PTI today. He actually looked even dumber than Mangini did at his introduction press conference. I hope Woody didn't see PTI he will want to hire Mike Davis after he is done with Mangini.
history shows that the 2nd half of year 2 is the key stretch for a new regime..... 2 offseasons, 2 training camps and 30 or so games should give the team the chance to show signs..... however..... given the rookie staff and all of the wholesale changes we need to give some space and give it into the 3rd season - 2008. that should be the start of a playoff run year. imo anything before that would be gravy. jil
