I saw jets Nation and I think Sanchez is a Jet - help

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  1. ScotsJet

    ScotsJet Active Member

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    We don't have the cap space to trade Gholston, it's as simple as that. We'd have to cut everyone else to cover it.
     
  2. xjets2002x

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    The answer to this question lies in asking where the Jets stand as a franchise. Personally, I don't believe they see themselves as a rebuilding team, and with that in mind, I think it's silly to consider spending such a high pick on a quarterback, particularly Sanchez.

    The Jets just fired their coach because he couldn't get them over the hump, presumably to get a guy who could. That means their stated goal is making a playoff run immediately. They have a veteran loaded defense that was top 10 in rushing yards per game and top 10 in the AFC in points allowed.

    I think Mark Sanchez is one of the more overvalued players in recent history. Much of this is driven by the false notion that the success of Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco is the rule rather than the exception. Let me explain...

    It is slightly easier for a rookie quarterback to succeed when, in Flacco's case, his defense ranks in the top 3 in every major defensive category and in Ryan's case when you have a top five rushing offense. It should also be noted that while Ryan's numbers as a rookie were impressive, Flacco's were the type that typically lead to another trip to the top ten of the draft. The Jets aren't going anywhere fast with a 14 touchdown 12 Interception performance from the quarterback position. While they have a defense that is on the verge of being elite, so do the Titans, Steelers, Ravens, Dolphins, and Patriots. Ultimately, a stout defense won't be enough on its own to put this squad over the top.

    The Jets are not that far out of the loop in either direction, so it's entirely feasible that Sanchez could come in and be successful. That said, it is also more than likely that a guy like Clemens, with similar physical attributes and three years in the same offense will be more successful.

    Sanchez is hard to evaluate. He's coming from a college program with three top tier collegiate running backs, playing behind a line that resembled a brick wall for most of the year. In games where he was pressured and sacked he didn't particularly distinguish himself, and his own coach's first instinct, whether noble or not, was to declare his decision to leave a mistake. That is telling.

    Because this really isn't a rebuilding team and it would behoove us to get a player who can help us now, it's best that we pass on Sanchez.

    -X-
     
  3. BK_Jetsfan

    BK_Jetsfan New Member

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    Not sure if it's already been mentioned, but it sounds like the Redskins are going to jump up to 2 or 3 (I think 2 because I'd be surprised if the Chiefs pass up the chance to get Curry) to get Sanchez.
     
  4. MobiusOne28

    MobiusOne28 New Member

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    Sanchez is one of 2 players (the other being BJ Raji) who I wouldn't mind trading up for. I think he's going to be really special.

    However, I'm not sure if he's going to last long enough for us to even have a shot.
     
  5. Harpua

    Harpua Well-Known Member

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    Mr.E, the bolded part is just not true at all. Ben started 14 games his rookie season and ended with 2621 yards, 17 TD's, 11 INT's, and a 98.1 QB rating.

    As for on topic, I would love Sanchez to land with the Jets, but unless we tarde way up its not going to happen. On sportscenter this morning the talk was the Lions are having trouble working out a deakl with Stafford and may turn to Sanchez if his demands do not come a bit lower. It could be a smokescreen, but I do think they could go that route.
     
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    But I thought Ben didn't start until someone (God aging sucks) got injured early on.
     
  7. Harpua

    Harpua Well-Known Member

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    That is true, all of two games in. They did not plan for him to start right away, but once he was in there he never looked back. Granted the Steelers had a very good team that year, but he basicly did start the vast majority of his rookie season.
     
  8. Italian Seafood

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    Very much like Flacco. The plan wasn't for him to start but they got by with him learning on the job. A good defense will provide you that ability.
     
  9. ekaarons

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    let's hope sanchez does an eli manning refusal

    when manning was drafted by san diego.he refused to sign with them.forcing a trade with the giants.let's hope that history repeats.
     
  10. Italian Seafood

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    Good point. People like to talk about how the Giants were so on the ball and got their guy--the deck was stacked in their favor. They had a top 5 pick, a QB rich draft and Eli was refusing to play for one of the three teams ahead of them. That kind of thing doesn't happen for the Jets--and when it does we're picking 17th.
     
  11. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    Didn't they end up swapping Rivers for Manning? Personally I'd rather have Rivers.
     
  12. BK_Jetsfan

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    I soooo agree! But I am an admitted Manning hater.
     
  13. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    The Giants traded their 1 and 3 that year and their 1 and 5 in 05 to get Manning. Last year was a QB rich year two outstanding rookies we could have easily moved up or down for either one without costing us what the Giants gave up for Manning.

    The Giants gave up a ton for Manning they could have had either Rivers or Ben and not given up a 3 a 1 and a 5 on top of it. SD ended up getting Merriman with the Giants 1 from the Manning deal on top of the 3 and the 5.
     
  14. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    These are the details of the trade:

    Giants received

    * Rights to 2004 1st Overall Pick, Eli Manning.

    [edit] Chargers received

    * Rights to 2004 4th Overall Pick, Philip Rivers.
    * 2004 3rd Round Draft Pick - Used to draft and sign Kicker Nate Kaeding.
    * 2005 1st Round Draft Pick - Used to draft and sign Linebacker Shawne Merriman.
    * 2005 5th Round Draft Pick - Traded to Tampa Bay Buccaneers for Left Tackle Roman Oben.



    The Chargers made out like bandits, although they used that 3rd to draft a kicker.
     
  15. Italian Seafood

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    Either way you'd have a silly goober with a good arm, I guess.
     
  16. WhiteShoeWillis

    WhiteShoeWillis Well-Known Member

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    better than a 2nd ...

    And yeah, the Giants got raped in the face.
     
  17. Italian Seafood

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    Hey but biggs would have done it. In hindsight, of course.
     
  18. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    I don't think that's the point he's trying to make. In retrospect, as at the time, I think the Chargers made out great in the deal, but it also worked out great for the Giants, as evident by their latest Lombardi trophy. They got their guy and their aggressive move paid off. I wouldn't mind seeing the Jets make an aggressive move like that to address such a critical position, if they're that sold on the player... but it needs to pay off.
     
  19. BadgerOnLSD

    BadgerOnLSD Banned

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    But he did not start the season, Maddox did. Ben didn't come in until Maddox got hurt IIRC.
     
  20. winstonbiggs

    winstonbiggs 2008/2009 TGG Bill Parcells "Most Respected" Award

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    If you're asking me if I had a top 10 pick and needed a QB to build my team around and would I make the best effort to get the guy I had at the top of my board than yes, I'm guilty. How many SB has SD gone to since they raped the Giants? That's not really the point. The point is when it comes to the QB position, management conviction means almost as much as what the guy you're getting can actually do. When you have your guy in place your can build something with a foundation. Without the foundation you aren't really building anything.
     
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