They caught everybody by surprise in the first 8 games last year. If you look at the second half of the season people were already catching up with them. Obviously the Giants had the game plan to stop them in the SB. He would have been lucky to get 30 TDs this year. No QB who ever threw for 40 threw for 30 the following year. He would have been no different.
Well, it may have something to do with the fact that there are a few other players on the offense than the QB. Seems like they had their asses handed to them in the SB last year, and the QB didn't do so good. Then there is also the problem that the QB has to wait on the sidelines (for some reason) while the damned defense gets the other team off the field, so the QB can come back as quickly as possible and save the day of course. Seems like the Pats' D was dallying a little too much in the SB so Brady didn't get back so quick. I would say that without those other folks doing their job pretty damned good, Brady or Cassel wouldn't be worth a crap by himself out there on the field with the other team's D stomping him out.
The Giants played great. But the Pats still win the SB if they make one play on D. Sack Manning, Samuel picks off that gimme, or Tyree doesn't make that phenomenal catch. So as bad as they got their "ass kicked" they were two minutes from winning the game anyway.
Woulda,Coulda, Shoulda is just a loser's excuse. Brady's flaw is that his pro-bowl line couldn't protect him and he is not that good without all the time in the world because he just is not elusive like he should be.
we can hate the pats and it's expected, but to say brady isn't a great qb is being a phony... the guy won three lombardi's with crap for offensive weapons(look at other great qb's, they had better weapons). brady finally got the great weapons last year and proved how good he is(broke records left and right). you can be a jet fan and still acknowledge other teams great player's. it doesn't make one a traitor, just a football fan. i loved watching the steelers and niners in their hey day's. but it doesn't make me a steeler or niner fan. just like to watch great teams and players as a football fan. thats what makes the nfl so great to watch, being a football fan, period.... the real over reaction is the originator of this thread, and the phony theories.....
your hatred gets in the way of your logic. every great qb had good offensive lines. your just a hater pretending to be a knowledgeable football fan, which your NOT!!!
The Colts have all that stuff. Good line, a phenomenally talented group of wideouts, good receiving tight end, and Addai even (at times) qualifies as a great halfback. Couple of great players on defense, and a great defensive head coach in Dungy. But if Peyton Manning went down next week, nobody would think the Colts would still compete for a championship with some second string shmoe (is it Sorgii still?) starting 15 games. Thats because Manning is a great quarterback, his physical ability is second to none in this league and among the best in league history and anybody whos seen some of the throws he can make would have to agree. Its great that other players are talented, but without Manning nobodys going to bet on the Colts to do much. Now for some reason, with the Patriots, that isnt the case. Is it because the rest of the Patriots roster is really THAT far head and shoulders above the rest of the league? Is it because Brady is actually a shlub and any second stringer in the league could be successful in his position? Or, far more likely, is it because everybody has gotten so damn used to kissing Patriot ass that they can't bring themselves to admit that they might not get a chance to do it this year?
If you look at just the facts and not stuff you've made up, Peyton Manning has better numbers than Tom Brady. Tom Brady's Career Stats: TD–INT: 197–86 Passing yards: 26,446 QB Rating: 92.9 Peyton Manning's Career Stats: TD-INT: 306-153 Passing yards: 41,626 QB Rating: 94.7 Yes Manning does have weapons on his offense considered great by many. Lets look at Marvin Harrison as an example. Marvin Harrison's Stats: Year Yards Touchdowns 96 836 8 97 866 6 98 776 7 <-Enter Peyton Manning (his rookie year) 99 1663 12 00 1413 14 01 1524 15 02 1722 11 So did Manning have weapons when he came in or did he create them? Before 99 Marvin Harrison was definitely not considered great by any means of measure. Plus Manning holds more NFL records than Brady and has been to more Probowls (if that holds any weight). If you look at the facts its obvious that Manning is a greater QB than Brady. What are these "facts" that make Tom Brady the best QB ever?
I'm not making an excuse. I give and gave in my post the Giants all the credit for playing a great game and winning. What I took exception to was the comment the they had their asses handed to them by the Giants. You don't lose in the last 30 seconds of a game you get your ass handed to you.
How many more years has Manning played than Brady? Manning's rookie year was what 99? Brady didn't start playing until 2001. Manning has 2 extra years plus for more than half his career Brady didn't need to be prolific to win games he just needed to manage the game. The reason Manning has put up better stats is because of the offense they play. I didn't say he was the best ever but certainly one of them.... As far as the facts if these are the only ones that matter.... 3 Super Bowl Wins (If not for an unreal play by the Giants 4-0 with 3 MVPs) 2 Super Bowl MVPs 87-24 during the regular season with the fewest number of wins being 9 and most 16 in a season. Pretty impressive win % Won 21 straight games including the playoffs (NFL Record) 20 Straight regular season wins (NFL record) 27-5 vs the NFC 28 4th quarter comeback wins 84-1 when the Pats have any lead in the 4th quarter Most consecutive postseason wins with 10 (NFL Record) 3-1 record in Super Bowls The guy has what 3 losses in the postseason I don't think the Pats have ever lost 41-0 nothing in the playoffs with Brady as the QB 2007 AP Male Athlete of the Year You look at that and tell me he's not elite and you guys are just delusional. It's not about that stats it's about winning. How many people look at Marino and shrug him off when he's mentioned as the best because he didn't win. Brady has won 3 and holds the record most TD passes in a season. What more would you want from your QB?
I think this is a very fair statement. While I enjoyed the Giant victory (immensely); it was hard fought on both sides. A couple of the critical plays. As I recall, there was an interception that Asante Samuel should have defintitely had; it was practically right to him. It happens; but if he intercepted it you could have another ring. Another play, has to be the pass from Manning to Tyree. Just a spectacular play. But in truest words, it was the type of play you may pull off once in a career when you consider all the times Manning was nearly sacked in the backfield, the length of time the play took (most of the time such a play has a lineman going down field illegally), and the amazing catch that would have passed any review by an official.
You make my point when you say "he just needed to manage the game." I truly believe that any excellent QB could do what he has done given the teams around him. Manning is only a year older than Brady and at he end of the year he will be 20,000 yards ahead of him and 140 TDs ahead of Brady as well and Manning led the Colts to the the SB title with the 23rd best D in the league. Lets face it, stats count and at the end Favre will have 65-70K yards and Manning perhaps 75 and I doubt Brady will break 50. Yes, Brady is a lock for the HOF even if he retired tomorrow just not the best thats ever been. I just can't get it out of my mind that the Giants pulled off the biggest upset since David slew Goliath and Brady's head was on the platter I really believe that the all around powerful Pats will do just fine with Cassels and it will just be a matter of plugging in a good QB and they won't miss a beat, especially in December and we can revisit this later.
Manning is a much better pure QB than Brady. Way better. Way, way better. Kerry Rhodes or someone said it the other day, the Pats are a team that buys into their system. They expect the backup to perform adequately if a starter goes down, and Tom Brady himself is the perfect example of this. BB is alot like Walsh in the sense that he buys into his system way more than he buys into his players. That doesn't mean he doesn't like his players, but the system both lasts longer and is more stable than us humans. This isn't kissing Pats ass...actually it sounds like it...bleh...it's the truth. If you really think the Brady injury will slow the Pats down, then you're going to be surprised. That team is not built around it's QB. It's built around it's HC. He's gonna keep his little movement moving until it can't move anymore. Brady is not a god, and the game is still football. Cassel has to produce, not be magical. The magic shit comes when the fans and media get their hands on it.
