If I were Idzik......

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  1. Realistic Jets Fan

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    great idea

    lets bring in six of seven year bust Alex Smith and make things worse
     
  2. NYJetsMetsCTHuskies

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    And there is not a person on this planet that wants to see that piece of shit Sanchez but you.


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  3. AlToon

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    The guy with the ball in his hands should get the big dollars. The Jets balked at paying Revis with Mr.T in charge. Idzik seems to be more conservative in shelling out big bucks if you look at how the Seattle cap was set up. Idzik was responsible for the cap. Team salary structure.

    Idzik handled the salary cap with the dexterity of Sidney Rice hauling in a sideline pass from Russell Wilson, negotiated contracts with the proficiency of a successful two-minute touchdown drive but also the tenaciousness of Marshawn Lynch fighting for that extra yard and was a value asset for Carroll and general manager John Schneider in many other areas.

    http://www.seahawks.com/news/articl...e-missed/60a68a28-f017-4cf3-9ac3-664b8667fb5d
     
  4. Aewhistory

    Aewhistory Well-Known Member

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    I think he can't. Doesn't he have some sort of 'escalator' (wrong word, but that's the jist) that would lock him up longer if he pulls that again. Can someone with more information elaborate? Or am I speaking out the wrong orafice? :sad:
     
  5. Jeti

    Jeti Well-Known Member

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    if he holds out, his contract extends for 3 more years
     
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    Aewhistory Well-Known Member

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    I think that is the point a lot of people are missing. Unless some magic happens the choice isn't really between keeping or trading Revis. It is between keeping him for ONE year or trading him. Thats much different. If he was spending the rest of his career here I'd feel differently as well, but given that I don't think we will get a sniff at the playoffs next year I say let him go..... (edit: thru trade.... Not walk... Wanted to clear that up.)

    Now that said, we could try something unconventional in today's NFL. Keep him into the season, play him to prove that he still has it, and trade him before the deadline. That would boost his trade value IF he performs. If not then we are screwed. If we did this then we would need to have a replacement on the roster during the season, but that wouldn't be any different than this year, so the idea is workable.

    Another option that no one seems to be mentioning is keeping Revis and trading Cro. If ROI is the issue then trading Cro after the season he has had makes a ton of sense. This past year was a career year for him folks. He is damn good, but I always distrust career years. By definition, a player that has hit their peak will not perform as good in the future (although if the peak is high enough that's still damn good). So I am concerned that Cro at his best is only as good as Revis is typically. That's nothing to sneeze at since Revis is one of the great CBs, but it could mean Cro won't be able to step it up again and again if we rely on him like we do Revis for years. Or I could be totally underestimating him....
     
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    Aewhistory Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I thought so. Thanks!

    So Revis holding out isn't gonna happen. Either we'd lock him up or his career would be over since he would have to hold out for four years. I don't think anyone has ever been that stupid/stubborn.
     
  8. Footballgod214

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    It'd be fun to bring in a 2nd-3rd round Rookie QB and let him play and watch him develop with our new QB coach and 2nd yr receiver Hill and 3rd yr receiver Kerley.

    Having a young core is what makes 49rs, Skins, Hawks, and others fun to watch.
     
  9. Aewhistory

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    I beg to differ! I am a slouch and I would get burned all day long.... even behind San Francisco's front seven.

    ;)
     
  10. Jeti

    Jeti Well-Known Member

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    the Jets are fun to watch anyway

    also check the bolded

    thats not fun, just because a couple teams did it doesnt mean its the way. I want a 1st Round QB, a potential stud who needs grooming not a project who may not work out

    Russell Wilson had 1st round talent and 6th round height
    Colin Kapernick came from a gimmick offense so he fell
     
  11. Jeti

    Jeti Well-Known Member

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    yeah the same secondary who was getting torched by Julio Jones and Roddy White when the pass rush was non-existent
     
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    If I were Idzik I'd change my last name.
     
  13. soh_vet

    soh_vet Well-Known Member

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    So for those saying "you can't trade Mevis" or "Lock him up", what is YOUR price? where do you draw the line? And if he rebuffs your offer, what do you do?

    To get nothing for the guy NOW, on an almost guaranteed losing season next year is asinine.
     
  14. Jeti

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    no one will trade for him right now because he's still recovering

    they're going to want to see him in game action so the regular season has to be played at least 6-8 weeks of seeing him in action to make sure he's back to the same stud he is

    by that time the trade deadline will either pass or we'll still be in the playoff hunt and how could Woody, Idzik or Rex explain to the fans that trading Revis in the middle of the season is them trying to win

    Revis stays, give him a nice fair deal. A top defensive player in the league deal and you continue to build the team around our 2 stud corners
     
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    Again, what is your interpretation of "a nice fair deal"? I know we can't trade him at this very moment. But If he showing he's healthy in camp or a few (not 8) weeks in the season, trade him for more than the 3 Round comp you'll get when he walks. And walk he will if he thinks he's being lowballed.

    the problem is, you think paying a CB (guessing) $98M, 7 year deal (14M a year) is no big deal for the Jets. When it is, in our current situation.
     
  16. Br4d

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    This isn't just a big deal, it's a deal breaker on the Jets moving to elite status.

    The only way the Jets survive a deal of the magnitude described above is if the cap suddenly expands dramatically after the current era of austerity. If that were to occur then you just get a Revis holdout again to reflect the new cap numbers.

    He's a great player but at a position where great players don't have much impact on championship football. He's also out to get every last dollar he can and that never works for championship teams, not even at QB.
     
  17. Jeti

    Jeti Well-Known Member

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    Look pay this man and build through the draft

    Revis, Cromartie, Mangold and Ferguson would be our only "big contracts" for the future while we build around them with draft picks and low cost role players

    I dont understand whats so hard to understand about that
     
  18. NFL

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    $14 mil would be fair. After next season, our cap becomes a lot better. All the big money guys would need to be resigned or cut, this time to fair contracts.
     
  19. NFL

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    Exactly, our cap problems get a lot better after next season. Of course the talent on the team doesn't get any better without good drafts, but all the guys making all this money can be cut. Harris, Sanchez, Holmes, all these players can be cut.
     
  20. LAJet

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    As much as I think Revis is the best at his position and an incredible asset to have I think that negotiating a deal for him is almost impossible, particularly on a team that has so many needs and frankly in the middle of a rebuilding mode.

    You should not, IMHO negotiate a mega contract of 14M or more per year with any player short of a franchise QB that can make your team almost instantly a winner.

    Jets will have a hard time evaluating his worth for the future of the franchise depending on many factors, but if a suitor is willing to offer a mid first round or better, it is time to say good by to Mr Revis.

    I heard something very interesting here in Las Vegas by the expert odd makers. No player on any team short of 4 or 5 all world QB will swing the line one way or another more than 1/2 to 1 point per game if out with injury.. Including the best pass rushers and running backs. Losing Revis would be big and may cost us one more win/loss over the course of the season...a condition remediated by better LBs or even OL protection, not to mention an improved offensive scheme.

    It is time to build from the draft, if that cannot be done while keeping Revis....the choice is clear
     

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