No I didn't want McFadden...he's got bust written all over him. Read the posts before commenting. I think Martin was a great running back, but imho he wasn't the best running back this team has had. Maybe I have a special man crush for Freeman McNeil, but I think he is arguably the best running back this team has ever had in pure talent, not counting longevity. I also think Al Toon was the best receiver this team has ever had as well. Both Freeman and Al had their careers cut short by injuries. But talent-wise I think they were 2 of the best players to ever don green and white and there is definitely an argument for that.
That was a great and fun read. See, remembering visuals is what it's all about. And, what all the college hounds always forget: Namath was a double threat, originally. Haha, Namath the scrambler. But, he was smart enough to read defense and make his arm work to his advantage. That makes him better. Namath doesn't belong in the Hall Of Fame....Snag! Self-hating jerk-offs
^ Exactly! Players don't get into the HOF or get their numbers retired based on pure talent, or potential... They are given these honors because of their accomplishments... If we're going to judge players based on their pure skill, without regard to longevity/durability/consistency, we may as well retire Leon Washington's number now, because he's one of the most talented backs I've ever watched! Hell, Lamont Jordan had more pure talent than Curtis when they were both with the Jets.... A HUGE part of judging whether a player is HOF worthy, or worthy of having his # retired is based on his ability to get it done over a long period of time and pile up accomplishments year after year
^ Testaverde was consistently mediocre over a long period of time, with a few good years... Curtis was consistently good, with a few great years... There's a big difference...
Consistently good....not consistently great. That's my point. We are talking about retiring a number....they should be consistently great.
Wow your logic is severely lacking. Again Curtis Martin was great, Vinny was not. You do not get to 4th all time being good, he was great, and he is a sure fire hall of famer. How anyone can question that is beyond me.
Actually we were talking about who would you retire if you could only retire one between Chrebet and Martin. It is a hypothetical question, Martin's career was nothing but the truth.
6th in passing yardage, similar to Martin's 4th in rushing yardage. In scoring Martin ranks 19th (12th among running backs) and Testaverde ranks 8th. I'm not hoping CMart doesn't get into the hall...in fact I think he will. I do not think he will not be a first ballot entry though. I also don't think Testaverde should ever be admitted to the Hall, but going by statistics he should have a similar chance as Martin...if he ever retires.
Ok so you think Curtis will get in but that he's not great? and you say Vinny should never get in but you compare him to Martin? This does not make sense to me, why would you think someone who was not great should get into the hall?
I think of CMart as one of the best players to ever don green and white. But I also think there were better players to wear our colors. If it were my decision, CMart would not make it into the hall simply because he didn't dominate the game. It's a personal opinion and not one many fans like. But I want the players in the Hall of Fame to dominate and be recognized as being game changers and that's not something I feel that CMart was.
I did read the posts....but a factor of being a great player is also how much you are on the field...maybe if freeman mcneil wasnt injured all the time and played as much as curtis did he'd have similar numbers..but you never know and cant just assume things...a players injury proneness factors in
Ok well let's agree to disagree here, because you fail to see how by Curtis constantly picking up 3-5 yards carry after carry, year after year was in fact dominating the game. It allowed coaches to do exactly what they wanted to do for the most part, he was the main ingredient used by Parcells a great coach to control the game. That is Dominating IMO, and made Curtis Martin a great player, I'm sure the people who vote for the hall will have no problem getting Curtis in. Do you think Tikki Barber belongs?
First off, I never said Freeman was more valuable to the Jets than Curtis. Only that he more physically gifted. That's an opinion. Being a Jet fan for 30 years I know how much Curtis did for the franchise. But my opinion of him also stems from comparing him to his contemporaries. He is compared to Marshall Faulk, Terrell Davis, Jerome Bettis, Barry Sanders, etc...Of the potential HoF candidates and members he doesn't compare very well. He's most comparable to Bettis who I don't think will be first ballot as well.
Dominating is being able to score whenever he touches the football. That's where I disagree with you. That was not CMart. And no Tiki doesn't belong in anything regarding fame.
I see you are still killing Martin for not having scored enough. I think you're nuts in regards to that. I posted the following information earlier in the thread. I see I have to post it again. Martin 3518 rushing attempts 90 rushing touchdowns McNeil 1798 rushing attempts 38 rushing touchdowns Martin scored rushing TDs at a higher rate.
