He also said the Ballard td against the packers on 3rd down was a td. He also said that the Jennings td on 3rd down was a drop, he also said that driver was out of bounds and the first to come back in on his 3rd down td. So By your rationale that also cost a game, takes 14 Pts all on 3rd down off the board and adds 4 on what shouldn't have been a fg but a td in a fame list by 3. Eli didn't ground it was thrown in the vicinity of a receiver in This case Bradshaw, it's why aikman and buck said nothing go rewind in Slow mo.
Even if they didn't call him down, it would have been ruled intential grounding from the end zone resulting in the same safety. Sanchez was still inside the tackle box and the ball did not pass the LOS.
Which had it passed the Los his argument would hold some merit, he also can't grasp that URL in regards to an Eli toss into The ground last week at bradshaws feet which passed Los and was in vicinity of receiver, neither of those applied to that Sanchez safety
did he discuss the groundings? on at least one there was no one anywhere near where he threw it, it was a clear grounding call they missed. I know this. This was based off of making excuses for the Bradshaw fumble by giant fans.
Didn't discuss the grounding as the refs, aikman, buck, fox cameraman, viewing public, 70,000 at lambeau all missed it.
they don't mention every potential blown call. Most calls are open to interpretation and they could make a case on most plays for calls made/not made.
I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on that. The best CB on your team is your #1 corner. If they get hurt, it's a big lose due to what it does to you schematically, what it does to your depth chart, and the experience it takes from your team. I don't really care if you don't think the player was that good; he was the best player at that position and his lose hurt. Hell, Sanchez isn't all that good and the Jets would be in a lot of trouble if he went down. With the whistle we're going to have to agree to disagree as well. That play was pretty much the definition of forward progress being stopped. Bradshaw was being pulled backwards by another player (moving backwards not under his own power) when the ball was ripped out. I know you might not like the rule, but that's the way it's in the books. The tuck rule is the same thing to me, I don't like that it exists in the first place and have to accept that this rule being correctly implemented isn't going to agree with what I want from football. Obviously I'm going to disagree with the assertion that the Giants got lucky and that their injuries weren't significant. I think the ups and downs in the Giants' level of play is directly related to the injuries they had to deal with. They had some important players that were expected to be key contributors this year go down. I know you don't like my reasoning there and that you think the talent that got hurt isn't significant, but I think it's inaccurate to think they didn't matter. We've both got points to make & I think that regardless of how well we make them, we're just going to have to accept that we're not seeing eye to eye here.
friendlygiantsfan is significantly less friendly in PMs. personally i don't agree with that type of salty language, it certainly would've made tom coughlin blush.
I get frustrated with the Giants because every 4-6 years they just seem to win or go to a Superbowl's. It doesn't matter if they suck or are good they just go. I have to give it to them. Their defense was stout and held when needed and seemed to come up with the plays that turned games around. Their offense has some key players that know their role's and have good chemistry with their Quarter back. Eli Manning has had some game where he looked in full control of the outcome. No one can say he wasn't a warrior in the NFC Championship game. The Jets have gotten plenty of breaks the last couple of years and that cant go on forever and didn't. We had our chances and lost plain and simple. If this coming game was the Ravens Vs. The 49er's the majority of threads would be Harbaugh is better then Rex....so I guess this goes with the territory. Luck and breaks are part of it no matter who it is!
You don't have to be the best team,you just have to be the team playing the best. The Giants are playing their best football of the season at the right time. I,for one,applaud the Giants and am glad the Jets (Rex and the FO) are getting their asses handed to them for making the Jets look like fools.
They miss the playoffs and Coughlin would have probably been fired if Tony Romo completed a pass to a wide open Miles Austin.
I do give you credit, you aren't just here to rub it in like our new friend TommyTom. Obviously I'm jealous of the Giants SB runs but I try to seperate that in the discussions, sometimes I do a better job than others. Enjoy the run, it doesn't matter how they got there all that matters is they are playing for another Championship so congrats. I think on our team that is the case b/c we have a true #1, you guys have a collection of 2s and 3s on most teams. Your ferocious pass rush makes them all look much better than they are- our lack of pass rush shows how great Revis is. I'm w/ you. Let's move on. Enjoy the next 2 weeks, I hope someday I'll get to experience it.
Every Call? What about the packers fumble that was overturned. You guys would be losing your minds had that happened. I believe there was another horrible call that happened that game that helped the packers score again. In 2009 you had teams rest starters to let you into the playoffs. The Chargers kicker missing 3 fieldgoals. 2 easy ones. In 2011 Sanchez had like 20 dropped interceptions. How bout the 4th down hail mary pass interference call. Detroit not running down the clock to practically nothing. Cleveland fumbling in OT when they were in field goal range. You guys have had plenty of luck if you want to call it that. Personally I wouldn't. But if your going to call the Giants lucky then I would call you guys lucky. I think it's just pathetic to say the Giants lucked into the superbowl. That's just a losers mentality. The Giants just got hot at the right time. There's a team every year that does that. Good teams create there own luck.
The Giants got one call against them in meaningful time vs. GB, the roughing call was in garbage time. You also got the benefit of some calls in that game. In 2009 we got a qtr and a half of Indy backups, that was harder than facing Dallas twice and the Jets in the last month this year. In 2010 Sanchez had very few legit dropped INts where the defender should have caught it- like any QB will have. The Holmes play in Denver he was badly interfered w/ and still almost caught, some bad calls put us in that hole to begin w/. In det we scored and the refs allowed an extra 15 secs to go off the clock after the TD, if they do stop the clock at the right time we don't need the TO. We had missed 3 FGs including a 24 yarder before that fumble in OT by Cleveland- it only counts if opponents miss kicks? Good teams do create their own luck BUT Bradhsaw fumbled, that was nothing the Giants did- it was a blown call. I can credit them for not making big mistakes like SF did but not for the blown fumble call.
I agree 100%, the Giants have played great football down the stretch and in the playoffs. They deserve to be in the Super Bowl. Now, if Nicks or Cruz catch a pass using their helmet..............................................
I'm not a Giants fan, I'm a dolphins fan, so I definately dont see as much of the giants as you probably do, so I'm not going to argue too much on your points. The one thing I will argue with tho, I think it was you saying that you never see an early whistle like that, and honestly, that is one of the most common officiating mistakes that I do see. Not necessarily always on forward progress (although I have seen plenty of those), but just fumbles in general. Just a recent example is when the Lions played the Saints. One of the refs blew his whistle on the Drew Brees strip sack that would've very likely given Detroit a fumble recovery for a touchdown. But like I said, stuff like that seems to happen all the time. Also, with the Holmes pass interference call, again I'm not sure if it was you saying it but I think it was, about the muffed punts the San Fran kick returner had. You said that the one hit his knee and the Giants didn't cause that. The same could be said for holmes getting that call. Holmes was interfered with, but he didn't create that. That was the Broncos mistake and not a good play by holmes. Ya know, I'm not here to troll or anything, and I try to be careful what I say on a Jets message board because I dont want to get that label, but I just couldn't keep quiet this time. If anybody ever called the Jets lucky you guys would be up in arms and rightfully so. Nobody has ever gotten to the superbowl completely based off luck. And like it or not, luck is a huge part of the game so to use that as an excuse is just unfair.
How did Holmes not create the PI? he beat his man and he would have caught the ball if not interfered w/. Every team gets some luck now and then but the frustrating thing is it seems the giants get more than the average team. Maybe it's whining? I don't know, it's just frustrating seeing them in another SB and I have still never seen my team in a SB. I don't think the Giants have made it just b/c of luck, they are playing outstanding football- no one has played better in recent weeks.
Dropped interceptions are the biggest joke ever. Eli had two this weekend and nobody said anything. Drew Brees had a couple against Detroit in all 3 Detroit games. They are a joke of a stat unless you define what a dropped int is, then factor in dropped catches/touchdowns, then add this all together for every QB in the league. The Denver facemask/PI call was correct since he interfered with Tone. Only a homer the other way would think it is not a call. Don't mention field goals to Jets fans. As people said, kickers are kicking well above their average and well above the league average for 50+ yd field goals. Oh and Doug Brien... I also disagree that you make your own luck. Luck happens, but nobody would remember if you don't take advantage of it. The Giants could have not scored a TD on the first muffed punt, but they advanced the ball and scored. The Giants could have not moved the ball forward and kicked a longer FG. What we Jets fans are frustrated about is our lack of breaks in the last two AFC championship games. Peyton throws a ball that was maybe half an inch outside of Coleman's reach because Coleman jumped 1 second earlier. Our CB and RB then get injured letting the Colts pull away. In Pitt, a split second play where Sanchez is hit. We have seen numerous times where that is called dead and incomplete on the field since the ball went forward. This time they let it play and don't overturn it. If that play is called incomplete on the field as it should have been, the Jets might win. Then you look at some rivals like the Pats who got the tuck rule to jump start that run. I'm sorry but there was no conclusive evidence to overturn that. Then you look at the Giants with David Tyree and the hail mary in GB this year. It stings watching a punt returner muff two punts and also watch the a WR drop a game winning TD and then the kicker missing a game tying kick in the championship games and then look back and see our team not getting a bounce like that in their respective championship games.
