Is our defense figured out?

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  1. Nilton

    Nilton Active Member

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    mix of no talent and scheme..they probably went more simple without jim
     
  2. mute

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    Smith, Pool (before Leonard was injured), and sometimes Wilson look very confused on defense throughout this season.
     
  3. NYJet87

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    Haha, by that logic you might as well have Rex play safety.

    I'm aware of something watching Eric Smith: Brainiac or not, he's shit. Period.
     
  4. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    Our defense is built on being big, strong, and physical. Speed doesn't seem to be something we put a premium on at any position except maybe corner. An offense like the Eagles that's built on having elite speed at multiple positions looks like it can be a very big match-up problem for us when executing well.
     
  5. jetsown22

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    We absolutely have no speed on defense, its time to part ways with old players like Bart Scott, Pace, etc who take up alot of cap space and replace them with young agile football hungry players. We absolutely have no pass rush therefore we will never beat good Qb's like Manning, Rodgers, etc. You constantly give good qb's more then 5 seconds to throw and you have no shot at winning the game. Also we cannot stop mobile Qb's, Tebow and Vick ran the ball whenever they felt like it against us. If Eagles weren't up so much and Vick wasn't nursing injurys he would of easily ran 100+ yards on us as he had so much space.
     
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  6. The Notorious J.E.T.S

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    championjets69 2008/2009 TGG Darksider Award Winner

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    can U say 1 Mississippi 2 Mississippi so on & so forth & you have our basic pass rush :sad:
     
  8. Br4d

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    The Jets defense in 2009 was great for one reason: endless blitzing designed to force the QB to make decisions too quickly and to throw the ball in Darrelle Revis direction too often as a result.

    Revis had one of the great defensive seasons in NFL history because the ball actually came his way and he turned those opportunities into a big negative for the opposing team.

    Go back and look at the stats for that season and it becomes clear that the Jets could not stop the run even with Kris Jenkins in the middle. What they were good at was taking the opponent's passing game away with all the pressure.

    Last season the Jets got Cromartie and started to play more cover packages and less blitzing and the defense declined some in the process. They still couldn't stop the run reliably and the pass defense was only very good instead of great.

    This season the defense is just not that good because almost all of the blitzing is gone and without pressure no pass defense is going to be very good. They still can't stop the run either.

    This is what building your defense around a cornerback turns into.
     
  9. Big Blocker

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    Geez, Pace has actually been having a good season. Are you even trying to pay attention to his play?
     
  10. jetsown22

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    Half of the games he seems invinsible and he has def not played up to the hype after he got suspended. Hes only getting older we need legit pass rushers. In short more players like Maybin.
     
  11. jonnyd

    jonnyd 2007 TGG.com Funniest Poster Award Winner

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    so youre sayin Rex and Pet are two fuckin assholes? I agree.
     
  12. patfanken

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    I think its an excellent question and the answer is YES. And its not just because of Rex. Because of its success, there are now more teams that run its basic structure. When it was run in just Baltimore, it was something that was unique. Now Baltimore, the Jets and Dallas all run this "system", and the more people see it, the better they understand it and can attack it.

    Brady gets better at it all the time. In fact the only time recently that Brady had a problem with it (the Playoff game) was because Rex wisely went AWAY from his normal strategy

    BB had a better defense back when only he and the Steelers ran the 3-4. He had a defense was not only rare, he had little competition for players who had skills that fit well into the 3-4 concept. Now that more than half the league run 3-4 as a basic D, So not only do teams understand and attack it better, there is more competition for those players who are uniquely suited for the 3-4

    To a certain degree a very similar thing is happening to the Ryan family defense
     
  13. Br4d

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    The Ryan family defenses that have a great NT/DE, ROLB and S are doing just fine. The ones with just a great ROLB or CB are not. End of story.
     
  14. Organized Chaos

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    Rich Cimini of ESPNNewYork.com reports the Jets usually are known for disguising their coverages, but they apparently did a poor job Sunday because the Eagles knew what was coming before the snap, according to S Eric Smith.

    Smith said the Eagles' receivers were able to identify the type of coverage before the snap, yelling it out to each other and to QB Michael Vick.

    "They'd line up, look at us, look at Vick, and (say), 'Oh, they're in Cover Zero' or 'They're in Cover One,'" Smith said after the 45-19 loss. "They did a good job of studying, a good job of preparing for the game."

    On Thursday, defensive coordinator Mike Pettine said he was planning to cut back the number of plays on the call sheet, to make things easier for Smith and Leonhard's replacement, Brodney Pool. The secondary relied heavily on Leonhard to make on-field "checks," and Pettine evidently wanted to simplify it.

    Smith apparently didn't know that and bristled when a reporter brought that up after the game.

    "That's not something they needed to do because Brodney and I have a good grasp of the defense," Smith said. "We've been here two years, so that's something that shouldn't have been needed to be done."
     
  15. Br4d

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    Oh, so we've gotten to the Eric Smith calling out the defensive coaching staff part of the season. Bill Parcells would have managed all the attitude on this team the old-fashioned way - by cutting people and making everybody else live in fear of their job. The Jets would still be headed to 9 or 10 wins but all the real talking would be coming out of Parcells with the players just giving the usual platitudes in the post game press conferences.
     
  16. Harpua

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    Pace has been very good. If he's invisible to you its because your not wathcin him.

    .... and you do realize that in our current scheme, Maybin is little more than a gimik pass rushing option on third down and not a three down player. If you have him trying to set the edge on rushing plays you may as well give the otehr team the green light to run outside on us all day long.
     
  17. nyJETS0511

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    Revis is a great piece to a solid d......our line needs help sooo bad. FO should consider trading Revis for necessary pieces. 1 shut down corner only plugs 1 out of 3 other leaking holes....Revis is the best corner period,, but in the team picture having him is overrated. to lock up that much $$ makes no sense to me
     
  18. jetsown22

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    Trade Revis?, without Revis Rex grossman passes for 500 yards against us.
    We have Eric smith as our safety for gods sakes.
     
  19. nyJETS0511

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    i prefer the set up like Gmen/Lions have....loaded up front with average 2ry....pressure changes everything
     
  20. All Gas No Shake

    All Gas No Shake Well-Known Member

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    everyone knows eric smith is not very good, youre not enlightening anyone

    writing off his assessment of what was happening on the field last game because he cant cover tight ends is nonsensical
     

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