It Was Idzik!

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  1. Geno007

    Geno007 Well-Known Member

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    I agree with most but how can you fire a guy when you can see the GM is the one who didn't improve this team? Which is his job. When we get a new GM what the first thing he does? Goes after and signs CB's. Why he do that? Because he knows that what his HC needs to run has style of D. I don't care who you are if you don't have talent your not going to win.
     
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  2. Jake

    Jake Well-Known Member

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    That coaching staff got fucked over hard. Period.

    You spend 80% of the cap when the staff needs to win to stay around? I can see why they'd be pissed.
     
  3. Geno007

    Geno007 Well-Known Member

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    No it all Rex's fault.
     
  4. Barry the Baptist

    Barry the Baptist Hello son, would you like a lolly?
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    I think had Sanchez lived up to being a top 10 pick both would be here and this team would be a Super Contender if not winner already. I think you are right and honestly now that he coaches up there I hope he never finds a QB.
     
  5. The Dark Knight

    The Dark Knight Well-Known Member

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    Haha yep, if Sanchez played like a Top pick, Tannenbaum, Rex and Mark would still be here, and would have at least 1 SB championship Probably more.

    Yep.
    I don't disagree that Rex was in a No-Win Situation in 2014, but I felt he had to go anyway. Everyone deserves some of the blame, including Woody, Idzik and Rex.
     
  6. Bills over Jets

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    Whether Jets fans want to admit it or not, the Jets sucked last year. The roster was complete shit. Your players sucked. When your players stink and you go against teams that are good, it frankly doesn't matter how long the shitty team has to prepare, they are probably going to lose.... because they are shitty. San Diego was a really good team last year and they should absolutely have kicked the teeth in on a bottom 5 Jets team.

    Your other post mentioned how the Jets "weren't prepared" but I'd like to know how you came to that conclusion. You see things on the field like interceptions by one of the worst QBs in the league (Geno), punts being blocked, fumbles, etc. and you blame that on the fact that those players didnt "study" or "prepare" enough. Maybe, just maybe, those players were "prepared" but they just suck. Boobie Dixon pushed Jaiquan Jarrett 8 yards and up the punter's ass. He got manhandled. Its not like there was an assignment missed, or a free guy running straight to the kicker. IMO the Jets woes last year are not a result of "being unprepared", it is a result of their shitty players.

    Geno Smith, Cumberland, I can't even name a receiver last year besides Decker (did he drop that 90 yard TD pass because he was unprepared?) and people on your 0-line like Colon, Winters, Giocomini, and some guy named Obushi. You had no pass rushers, and no secondary. Frankly, it was amazing you were as close as you were in some games and literally unexplainable how you won 8 games the year before. When you have a roster like that, you are going to lose. You don't lose because you are "unprepared," you lose because you aren't any good. The Jets roster is light years better this year than it was for the last 2.
     
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  7. Geno007

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    You are 100% correct.
     
  8. Unhappyjetsfan

    Unhappyjetsfan Well-Known Member

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    If you can't win without a QB and it's "the other guy's" responsibility to get one, why can't you blame your failures on him? If your entire defense is predicated on having 2 great cornerbacks and "the other guy" intentionally sticks you with the worst defensive backs in the league, why can't you blame your failures on him? These are serious questions. There's a difference between (a) being partially-responsible for developing talent and (b) being a miracle worker. Who are these mega-talents on the Jets that went elsewhere and blossomed?
     
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    Most of this group will never admit it until Rex is out of the league.
     
  10. LongIslandBlitz

    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

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    Why are we even talking about this?Rex is now coach of a divison rival and John Idzik is watering the grass in Jacksonville .....its old news and everyone already knew it was Idzik who caused the fire that burnt the house down
     
  11. Zach

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    But Rex can't complain about it. He just must not.
     
  12. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    if it was 1 bad year rex would still be here, but 2 gm's 2 qbs 2 ocs and the same offensive deficiencies year after year. you can blame idzic for alot last year, rex was fired because of the last 4 years
     
  13. Zach

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    Right. I was glad he was gone. I was sick of the way his defense was set up, and I was fed up with the perennial bottom feeding offense under his guidance.

    That said, Idzik can go fuck himself.
     
  14. Unhappyjetsfan

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    Probably because he's in the same division, we are going to play him twice a year, and his team looks like a clone of our team (I'd argue it's less talented, but it's close and the talent is in similar areas). So ... if he succeeds in Buffalo, and the Jets continue to blow, the logical conclusion might be that the problems here weren't Rex's fault. And the opposite is true, if Buffalo falters and the Jets are a playoff team, people who have been killing Rex for years can say "See? We told you so."
     
  15. Barry the Baptist

    Barry the Baptist Hello son, would you like a lolly?
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    If Rex was fired based on last year fine you would correct, and you know you won't admit it but Buffalo was not a good team last year. They had a good D but they were just as offensively as inept as the Jets and they blew the Jets off the field. I'm just going out on a limb because I've seen your posts in the past on Rex but if Rex were still the coach of the Jets and a Jets fan made the same exact post you did your response would be exactly opposite. Since Rex became the coach of your team you have flip flopped more than a politician at election time.

    No he's not, not even close. BTW you also agreed with him that Geno is not worth the shit on the bottom of your shoe.

    ding ding ding, Rex wasn't fired based on last year. He was fired based on his overall body of work and outside of 2 AFC Title Games (which is very impressive) the rest of it is kind of average. I think he is a much better than average coach but in order to be an elite coach you either need to surround yourself with elite minds, become a better rounded coach or cheat. Until Rex does one of those he'll be a very good but not an elite coach.
     
  16. Innocenti

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    I disagree with this statement because Mark did play like a top 10 qb during the playoffs. We lost to Pittsburgh because Mendenhall ran all over us and Pouha was getting killed at the line among other things.

    I suppose you could say that had he played like a top 10 qb during the season, we might've won a division title or two and had some home playoff games. I don't necessarily think that's the case either.
     
  17. LongIslandBlitz

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    I always felt that it wasn't Rexs fault not in the Idzik era atleast, we had one of the worst rosters in the league the last two seasons ....Firing MR.T and keeping Rex was a huge mistake ....We should have kept Mr T or fired them both .It was a failed plan from the very beginning and that's on Woody Johnson and his henchmen
     
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  18. Barry the Baptist

    Barry the Baptist Hello son, would you like a lolly?
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    He did at times, he definitely wasn't very good in the 2nd half of that Colts game or the 1st half of the Steelers game. I give him as pass on the Steelers games because I still don't he fumbled that ball and it was because of his play that we nearly came back and won but he was awesome in the win over the Pats. I really liked his personality and his love of the game. I wish things could have worked because he was a very likable guy and it's a shame the team took away his weapons and then threw him to the wolves.
     
  19. Geno007

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    His first 2 years Geno played like shit. I have no problem saying that.
     
  20. Jonathan_Vilma

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    Our roster wasn't good but it seems like it was better than a 4 win team. Toss in a lack of talent with countless 12 men on the field penalties, terrible challenges, wasted timeouts, players not knowing the playcall, delay of games and you'll end up with 4 wins on a team that probably could've won 7. Oh and terrible halftime adjustments.

    I hope you're ready for massive displays of disorganization and overload blitzes that my grandmother can see. Maybe Rex reinvigorates himself or maybe he stubbornly stays with the same defensive playcall he used 6 years ago that are painfully obvious combined with not giving two shits if the offense is running a pro style offense or a wing T from the 30s. Rex was good when he and his schemes were new and fresh and he didn't need to make many in game adjustments because teams didn't know what he was doing anyway. Now that everyone has 6 years of tape on his vaunted defenses that he refuses to change, and the fact that he's one of the worst in game adjusters in the league and you have a recipe for a poor coach. Man, if the guy would just learn to throttle off the blitz when teams continue throwing 6 yard hitches that go for 18 a clip he'd be a genius. Unfortunately for Bills fans he still hasn't learned any type of game management or scheme adjustment skills up until this point. We'll see if that changes.

    Oh and that whole "Rex takes the heat off his players mantra." His media bullshit does NOTHING but put pressure on his players, in particular the ones that can't live up to his billing. He praises anyone he comes in contact with on the practice field. It's a nice confidence boost until the Clyde Gates' of the world don't live up to the billing.

    /end rant
     

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