Jets Claim Roland Martin.

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  1. twown

    twown Well-Known Member

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    Hold on, let me re-read what I wrote.

    Yep.

    Yep, that's what I said. I said, "all GM's are good at their jobs, which is how you know for sure that every roster is as good as it could possibly be, without exception."
     
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  2. NYJETS4life24

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    Rex
    Rex might pick him up
     
  3. Just watched some youtube of him in college. Hard to gather too much but here's what appears evident:
    - Great length which Bowles loves in safeties for both blitzes & PD's
    -Very good ball skills despite lacking some closing speed.
    -When he's in position & gets to his spot, he's a plus man safety
    - Average speed/below average closing
    -Good tackler

    Get the feeling Bowles really likes LSU DB's. Perhaps he has some sort of connection/pipeline. Similar but not exact to how Rex used to Cherry pick beastly DL projects from the community college circuit. Bowles was involved in drafting both Patrick Peterson & Tyron Mathieu.

    Kid looks like he could be a decent situational player. He gives the Jets a size option which I mentioned & appears to fit the role of "rebounder" for the D. IE high-pointing long balls, matching up w/ certain TE's & lending a hand as another big body against the run if need be.

    Now comparing him to Miles gets alittle murky. To me Miles strength is his instinct & pursuit.He closes very well,tackles well in space & can be explosive. He's limited on the back end range wise due to change of direction(Likely comparable to Martin).The question becomes when do you use Miles if not for ST or barring an injury? Yes he's high impact but he can also get you beat on the back end. Gilchrist & Pryor are both superior athletes with similar playing styles/body types to Miles & steady Jaiquawn Jarrett is experienced & well rounded.

    So to me..this comes down to similar level players. One has a much more clearly defined role that fills a void that unfortunately Miles could not.
     
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  4. NCJetsfan

    NCJetsfan Well-Known Member

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    It's all about that bass, 'bout that bass.
     
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  5. NCJetsfan

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    Why do We have to know if this guy is an upgrade over Miles? It only matters what the CS and Mac know, not us. Maybe the Jets wanted to sign him this spring and Seattle beat them to it. Maybe they really like what they've seen in film of him. The one thing I'm sure of that they weren't sitting around thinking, "Now what can we do to piss off our fans? Oh snap, I've got it!!! They love them some Rontez Miles. Let's whack his ass and claim some S we know absolutely nothing about. That'll drive them bonkers! Things have been too quiet around here anyway. This is NY. We need a little controversy."
     
  6. The Dark Knight

    The Dark Knight Well-Known Member

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    Guy gets all horned up about making a team one day, then cut the next, for some random undrafted FA? Life isn't fair!
     
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  7. Will

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    Judge for yourselves - looks the part
     
  8. Yeah..that's the one I watched. People can form their own opinions as you alluded to. I'm just an evaluation nerd.Feel free to ignore my "wanna be scout" hot air.
     
  9. DaBallhawk

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    What do you mean why do we have to know if he's an upgrade? That's the whole point of adding players. The CS and Mac don't know anything, let's stop with this whole "the people in football know, we don't" mentality. They don't know shit. They take risks, they speculate, they gamble the same way we do. Sometimes it works out, other times it doesn't. Sometimes they're right, sometimes fans were 100% right. We knew what we had in Rontez, a rock solid backup safety who fits this system. Now you bring in a nobody who was released to take his spot...why? What exactly is he going to add? What more do you need out of a backup safety? He's not gonna start here, he's not gonna beat out Pryor, so what's the point? The upside to this would be him being similar to Rontez. He might be a small upgrade, he might be way worse. Typical case of trying to get the two birds in the bush instead of settling for the one in your hand. It just doesn't make any sense.
     
  10. DaBallhawk

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    Ugh. My day just got worse.
     
  11. Will

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    Apologies - did not mean to diss or ignore your "scouting", rather meant that others could see for themselves what you alluded to see it was accurate - like I said at the end "looks the part".



    Also saw this posted elsewhere on Ganggreennation
    The other 31 teams were all given a chance to claim the players the Jets cut. All they had to do was tell the league they wanted that player, and that player would have been theirs. These teams would not have had to give the Jets anything. Not a single team wanted a player the Jets let go.

    I think this is just a good reminder. We all might be disappointed about a player the Jets cut here or there, but these are bottom of the roster players. The odds are against any of them making an impact, and the rest of the league does not view these players are great commodities either.

    Take Rontez Miles. I was a little disappointed the Jets let him go. I thought he earned a spot on the team, and I wanted to see what he could do. Let's keep things in perspective, though. Miles is 26 years old. This is the third straight year he was in Jets camp. Safety has not exactly been a strength in any of these years. He has now been cut three times by two different coaching staffs. It goes deeper. Aside from a couple of brief trips to the active roster, he spent the last two seasons on the practice squad. Practice squad players are allowed to sign with any team in the league. That means Miles was available for almost two seasons to all 32 teams. The teams that needed a safety the most all had plenty of time to bring him aboard. All they had to do was give him a minimum contract. None did.

    Is it possible Miles could prove the league wrong? Might he be a diamond in the rough that got overlooked? Yes. How high are the odds all 32 teams in the NFL were dead wrong? They are pretty low.
     
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  12. jetsclaps

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    wah wah wah. It's a business. If Rontez was better, he wouldn't have been cut. I saw him getting beat in preseason a lot.
     
  13. Bellows1

    Bellows1 Well-Known Member

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    Younger, stronger, faster. I understand your point, but we can't keep players because they are fan favorites or worked their way up. It's all about ceiling, who has the chance now or a year from now to improve the team. We just got the same or better, but 4 years younger.

    Don't buy any jerseys for the next year or so...
     
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  14. DaBallhawk

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    A pack of gums could have outplayed Ronald Martin, the way he looked this preseason. So I'm not sure what your point is. Miles clearly outplayed him.
     
  15. nyjetsknicks247

    nyjetsknicks247 Well-Known Member

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    You watched Seahawks games and watched to see how this guy played?
     
  16. DaBallhawk

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    I haven't seen anything out of this guy that would make me think he's the same or even better than Miles. He's a different type of safety. If you compare the two Miles clearly is more of a box safety, he hits like a truck. Watching Martin play he seems more of a cover guy. I don't know what Bowles' plans are with him. Maybe he wants to line him up as a linebacker in nickel/dime situations to cover TE's and RB's, maybe even slot receivers over the middle. I guess I'd see why Bowles would move on from Miles in that case.
     
  17. Bellows1

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    He'll be great when we play the dolphins.
     
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  18. DaBallhawk

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    Just got done watching the Raiders game and he looked like crap to be honest. Took a terrible angle on one play late vs the Raiders scrubs and let the receiver just run by him for a bigplay over the middle. His tackling looks atrocious, he doesn't wrap up. It didn't look impressive even on his highlight tape. He reminds me of Antonio Allen, and he also had some questionable games where he whiffed and missed tackles, so that stuff happens. I still thought highly of him. We all thought he'd have a huge year under Bowles as a S/LB tweener who would come in on passing downs and cover RB's, TE's, slot receivers over the middle. I think Martin is that type of safety. Miles is a different safety, he can only play the run. We have to be able to cover guys like Gronk, Clay, Jordan Cameron. All 3 of them, twice. That's 6 games we'll have to deal with those. And the Pats have another decent TE they just added. I don't know, maybe this will work out for us afterall. If he can do the things AA was supposed to do for us this year. Because I honestly don't want Demario on the field in passing situations. Lattimore maybe. Him and Martin if he can handle it. He seems to have some of the skills.
     
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  19. jetsclaps

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    Not according to our GM who's been scouting in this league for over 20 years. What are your credentials? Did you even see Martin play 1 snap in the preseason?
     
  20. NCJetsfan

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    LOL Whatever, dude. I was just kidding around before, but you seriously need to take an ego check and get over yourself. You're being totally laughable right now.
     

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