NFL.com http://www.nfl.com/players/leonwashington/profile?id=WAS503628 As pointed out above they include all touches.
Look- http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=9703 2007 71 attempts, 1 lost fumble (rushing) no receving fumbles 2008 76 attempts, 0 fumbles (rushing) 47 receptions, 1 fumble 2009 72 attempts, 1 lost fumble (rushing) no receving fumbles We were talking about rushing the ball, he was wrong with his attempts. ST's is not even done by Shonn.
Check your stats they are wrong. You had his rushing attempts including all fumbles, which are wrong anyway. Check the espn link.
We are talking about haflbacks and issues with their game. Washington is a KR returner and gets looks as a receiving option. That is why those stats are relevant. FL was wrong in saying that all of those fumbles occurred during running plays but you cannot discount them. Ball carrying is ball carrying, regardless of how the ball got into his hands.
That I can agree with, but just by going off their comparable stats there is no comparison. Special Teams touches don't factor in, but I get your point.
OK, your the king (or Queen....whatever floats your boat) of stats. I submit to your superior knowledge. Now I think your just arguing for the sake of arguing....or illustrating your superior knowledge. Point taken. The point however, was that plenty of young running backs - some of them great ones - have had problems hanging onto the ball in the first year or two of the pros. I really don't think the exact ratio, carried out 3 places, of fumbles to carries is all that important. As far as Shonn Greene (check the spelling...I know you want to be accurate...) not being Eric Dickerson, well, you?re probably right, but it's a little early to make that statement - either way .......
TJ's rookie year, and indeed the entire early part of his career with Arizona, was pretty roundly chalked up as a failure, so I don't know what this statement proves. I don't think Cimini or anybody else is suggesting we should give up on Greene, but if the Jets make the playoffs, how comfortable would you be if we ended up in a situation where TJ gets nicked and Greene has to be the primary back, even just for a half? He has very real ball security issues, adding another halfback is a great move if for no other reason than to put some pressure on Greene to emphasize that turnovers are a big, big deal.
It is a simple matter of checking out one's factual claims before making them. It neither takes much effort or for that matter any great intelligence, and I would not claim otherwise. It does take a certain amount of care and consideration for others here. I suggest you not indicate a cavalier attitude in that regard or the credibility of your assertions will be questioned routinely.
They aren't going to cut him but he needs to stop fumbling, it cost us one game already- he needs to stop fumbling.
Maybe TJ is banged up more than we know. Maybe sending a little message to Greene about the CS lack of confidence in him in a close game with potentially big stakes the last few weeks of the season. Maybe its to check out a big back with potential to groom as a FB, as mentioned by another poster. Maybe to keep looking at ST's (KR/PR). Maybe the CS is thinking of using Woodhead more as a slot back than 3rd RB now, which really only makes the team 2 deep at RB at this point. Maybe the team is trying to grab one of the best Practice squad RBs available due to Mia (Brown) and NE (Taylor) being hurt, in order to hurt their depth at RB. Could be a lot of reasons.
this is getting old quick. in fact I hate the fact hes immediately pulled from the game when he fumbles. I'd rather the guy fumble after plowing through a couple guys on his way to break a big one. ive watched plenty of great RB's have fumbilitis, ive seen most of em get rid of it within a year or two of being in the league. his problem is awareness after he sees open field in front of him. two of his big fumbles were after big runs where he had a ton of green in front of him and didnt appear aware that a DB was swinging for the ball behind him. but point in case I think this is much ado about nothing. either that or the Woodhead experiment at RB is done and Rex is the type who feels better with 3 RB's at his disposal. I think Greene will have a great career long as he can stay healthy, and thats all that matters.
Although Greene was not a fumbler in college, many scouts felt he had the potential to be a fumbler because of his small hands. He needs to talk to Jones. Someone mentioned Jones not fumbling. That's because he has adopted the same ball carrying method that Tiki Barber did in the latter part of his career to resolve his fumbling issues. TJ carries it high and tight against his chest, crossing his arm over it. It doesn't look pretty, in fact it is very awkward but it's effective. If a defender does knock the ball loose, it will fall straight down where the running back will have a better shot of falling on it.
One of Greene's fumbles was the result of one guy grabbing both arms from the rear and another guy stripping it from the front. Unless you have hands the size of which no one has seen, there isn't anyone who could have held onto that ball. While no one wants fumbles, people are being a bit unrealistic about the situation.
